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Post subject: Re: A NEW UPDATE ?
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:34 pm
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My friends sorry if I tell you, but you are rather materialists. :)

I'm a Capricorn but I worry mainly of my matters .. What do I get to know the messes in which they were involved in various stages our artist friends?
have you noticed that you are focusing mostly on legal issues?

Also in the precedent post, with the exception of the story of nice vocalist ..
that is interesting! I knew that story and how they were pleasantly impressed by the vocal improvisation without inhibitions of Clare Torry.
For the rest of the matters, I would say ... but in the end, who cares .. or not?

I mean ... We are all interested to appreciate songs with highest musical taste they did, their creativity, and even social themes which shines through the songs, even the sounds, sound landscapes, and recording techniques (I for sure), and so forget about other troubles which moreover are common to so many of their colleagues artists / bands.

But after all I can understand that everyone may be interested in different aspects of the topic. Included questions of those guys who go to slaughter (because it is often a losing war at the start) in court, i mean they go to quarrel in such a way fiercest, because they want the easy money from people who earned it instead thanks to their success.
Do not take it as a criticism, but I just wanted to bring back the sharing, on more pleasant and constructive ways.


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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:38 pm
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I think with a band as big as and as provocative as Pink Floyd, you cannot ignore the issue of money - everything they did resulted in either money being lost or earned. If they spat on the floor, it was worth something.

I mean, isn't it interesting that in some countries, mostly in Africa, Another Brick in The Wall pt 2 was a song children sang during school riots and the governments banned The Wall in their countries afterwards?
Or how Wright was the only one out of the "band" who earned some money during The Wall tour?
Or how the band hadn't seen Syd for years, but coincidentally he showed up while they were recording Shine On You Crazy Diamond - a song dedicated to him, and they didn't recognize the "fat man behind the glass of the studio"?

I'll elaborate more on these and a few other interesting facts in the evening when I have some time :)

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Post subject: Re: A NEW UPDATE ?
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:17 am
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Neimenljivi wrote:

I mean, isn't it interesting that in some countries, mostly in Africa, Another Brick in The Wall pt 2 was a song children sang during school riots and the governments banned The Wall in their countries afterwards?

Or how the band hadn't seen Syd for years, but coincidentally he showed up while they were recording Shine On You Crazy Diamond - a song dedicated to him, and they didn't recognize the "fat man behind the glass of the studio"?

I'll elaborate more on these and a few other interesting facts in the evening when I have some time :)



Now that we agree! :wink:


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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:31 pm
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So a couple of trivia about The Wall:

- The idea about the concept of The Wall came to Waters after he first argued with a fan who yelled what song he'd like Pink Floyd to play on a concert (told him to F-- off through the PA) and a few concerts later - he actually spat at a fan for "provocating him". What he did disgusted him so much that he couldn't do anything else but write music in which he addresses such issues.

- A lot of stuff from The Wall are actually taken from Waters' real life story - his dad dying in WW2 in Italy ("And the Enzio bridgehead was held the price of a few hundred ordinary lives" - When The Tigers Broke Free was included in the movie, however others did not want it in the album itself); then there's the over-protective mother following his father's death; the fans in "One of my days", the teachers who were suppressing Waters' imagination in his teens ("Poems everybody, poems"); obviously also references to his past as a successful musician - lines from Money lyrics being read by the teacher; anti-war and anti-totalitarianism messages throughout the whole album - showing how such extremes lead to breakdowns; the scene where "Pink's" cigarette has already burnt down to his fingers and he's just sitting there with an empty gaze actually happened in the band's history - they've found Syd Barret like that in a hotel while they were on tour, etc.

- Waters wanted to play the lead character in the movie, but others were against it. Afterwards they settled for Bob Geldof - an organiser of Live Aid concerts

- As mentioned, Another Brick in The Wall was banned from some countries following riots by pupils who've taken the song as their anthem

- As mentioned - Wright was the only one of Pink Floyd members who actually earned some money with The Wall tour. He was not creative and didn't contribute much to their material, also preferred to stay in Greece (where both he and Gilmour bought houses following their success with DSOTM) instead of going with the band to record new material, so they kicked him out of the band (Waters' idea, but none objected). However, they couldn't get a new keyboardist in the short time they had before going on The Wall tour who would know all Wright's stuff, so they hired Wright as a session musician and paid him a fee per gig - albeit still huge for the standards of most of us, but a fee none the less. He did not have to cover any costs of the tour (as he was not in the band anymore, although they didn't let the public know about it yet), but the band had to pay him an agreed amount of money.

- There were a few songs such as When The Tigers Broke Free that weren't used on The Wall album, but were written in the time Wall was being written (mostly) by Waters who wanted to publish them as "A Few Excessive Bricks" (or something like that) - a new album. The others were against it, saying they didn't use those songs for a reason, and some of these songs were later used in The Wall movie, some were used for The Final Cut (hence the similarity of The Wall and Cut plots)

- Comfortably Numb is the most controversial song of the album in the sense that both David Gilmour and Roger Waters have laid claim to it, however Waters has admitted in the past that the song was a work of Gilmour

- The whole The Wall show is something Waters designed, conceptually (his skills in architectural design came handy for this) and that is something they've never argued about; however the big inflatable pig (copy-righted by Waters) was something the post-Waters Pink Floyd used (slightly changed - they've added genitalia) and was something that also set off some quarrels

- Waters was accused of anti-semitism during his most recent The Wall tour (due to Star of David being on the pig and also on projections that were being projected on The Wall itself), however always denied it and wrote an open letter to explain that the symbols used were symbols of oppression and that he always supported Jews - in reality his granddaughter is also a $@!

- When they hired Bob Ezrin, the producer, Waters told him that Gilmour will be very difficult to work with so in case there are any troubles - Bob should just do what Waters tells him to do, despite Gilmour's opinion not necessarily being the same. However, after working with the band, Bob discovered Waters was the one difficult to work with and that Gilmour was quite a delight

- Despite many people believing Gilmour used Fender Strats only, the solo of Another Brick in The Wall pt 2 was amongst a few (but possibly the best-known example of) actually recorded by a Gibson Les Paul which he owns - it was a guitar linked straight into mixing desk where it was recorded - all effects were added afterwards

- The phone operator ("United Stats calling, are we reaching you?..") was actually an actual phone operator on the telephone line, they called and started recording the conversation, the phone operator had no clue about what was actually going on

- Quite a few of the drawings made for The Wall movie, made by Gerald Scarfe, were stolen from him (I think it was in LA) one night

- Having met Gerald Scarfe a few years before The Wall came to life, Waters already told him he will want his services in the future, although he had no idea what Scarfe would have to draw at all

Anyways that's just a bit of trivia regarding The Wall that I can think of from the top of my head. Otherwise there's a lot of other interesting stuff - like the passages read aloud on The Dark Side of The Moon (think of intro words to The Great Gig in The Sky or Us and Them) were actually read by different technicians and other members of other bands who came in the studio. The notes with the text heard on DSTOM were left out at random places within the studio room and the tapes were always running so a lot of people who saw the notes read them aloud. Pink Floyd then used these recordings.
Or there's one of possibly the most ironic ones - remember the pig on the cover of Animals? Storm Thorgerson, who designed (almost) all of the Pink Floyd album covers - actually a friend from the band from their times in university, always wanted the covers to be as realistic as possible. So under his orders, the team actually built a giant inflatable pig to be photographed at the factory. However something went wrong, the pig snapped from ropes that were holding it in place and it literally flew off. Heathrow airport was closed down due to reports of "Giant pig in the sky" and they feared it would cause issues for aircraft. The pig was then found a few days after, on some field, but it couldn't be used for photographing it (they also feared it would just escape again), so Storm eventually had to add the pig in the cover manually after all.

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Post subject: Re: A NEW UPDATE ?
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:48 pm
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Neimenljivi wrote:
- Despite many people believing Gilmour used Fender Strats only,

Why would anyone think that? He hits the 24th fret on the last solo of "Money"...


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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:58 am
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Neimenljivi wrote:
- Despite many people believing Gilmour used Fender Strats only,

Why would anyone think that? He hits the 24th fret on the last solo of "Money"...


I don't know, but they do ;)

Well hitting the 24th fret doesn't necessarily mean he does not use a Fender Strat. He can bend the note on 22nd fret a full tone up and get the tone of 24th fret while actually being on 22nd, or bending from 21st fret for a tone and a half up ;) Sure, it's more difficult than pressing the 24th fret (if you have it), but it's Gilmour we're talking abou :P I also recall seeing a concert footage where he used a Fender Strat for Money.

Another fun fact - do you know that The Dark Side of The Moon was played in it's entirety around 370 times on concerts by Pink Floyd? (I have forgotten what's the exact number, but at such high numbers it doesn't really matter whether it's 368 or 377 :P)

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Post subject: Re: A NEW UPDATE ?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:22 am
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thanks for the nice refresher! many of these things I knew but you always learn a little something new :-)

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- A lot of stuff from The Wall are actually taken from Waters' real life story - his dad dying in WW2 in Italy ("And the Enzio bridgehead was held the price of a few hundred ordinary lives" - When The Tigers Broke Free was included in the movie, however others did not want it in the album itself);

it was "our" Battle of Anzio, not Enzio :)

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- Comfortably Numb is the most controversial song of the album in the sense that both David Gilmour and Roger Waters have laid claim to it, however Waters has admitted in the past that the song was a work of Gilmour


Yes, by the way there is also a different version, with some different lyrics, in The Wall immersion boxset, "the doctor" demo or something like that ( i have just an high quality uncompressed format copy from the web, i couldn't buy the original box , the same for immersion boxes of Wish U and Dark Side....
and it seems, however, that the first printing of The Wall Immersion boxset is not remastered again (vers.2011) because the work is much longer than expected ..: the original master tapes have suffered deterioration over time.
then at that time they only touched up the previous remastered digital version of The Wall, and with that material they have made the LPs.
should be still ongoing restoration works and later will be released a new version.

Many complain about the poor dynamics of those LPs version and I can not blame them.
I have the remastered version on CD of 10 years ago or so and it sounds very good.
I have no idea if the discography 2011 version sounds better ...
but I think it's mostly a matter of has been removed the defects, small noises, pops on the tape and so on.. in short, having worked more carefully than the previous remaster.

Just to say, I bought back the entire remastered CD discography of The Alan Parsons Project (also because online and/or abroad, overseas usually you save a lot of money) more than anything else to get all the bonus tracks and demos, early mixes, previously unreleased stuff, added on every album, and it was worth it (even a few bonus tracks with guitar solo track muted to play along), but what about the sonorities there are no dramatic improvements .. Alan Parsons has always worked with great passion and meticulousness amazing .. Little remains to improve.

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- Despite many people believing Gilmour used Fender Strats only, the solo of Another Brick in The Wall pt 2 was amongst a few (but possibly the best-known example of) actually recorded by a Gibson Les Paul which he owns - it was a guitar linked straight into mixing desk where it was recorded - all effects were added afterwards


Yes, the Gibson Les Paul with P-90 single coils pickup for the solo of Another B. pt2 , the Lewis' handcrafted guitar with 24 frets and a kind of neck-thru body (and other innovative features) not just for Money solo, and some other part of Dark side (Brain Damage and Eclipse surely in the early mix) but also for the studio version of Echoes: in live at Pompeii in fact played the same part in a different way with the black strat 21 frets, avoiding to hit those high notes. But the solo worked the same, even better i would say.


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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:25 pm
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Ahh yeah, Anzio.. I wasn't checking the lyrics or anything, and I've always been fond of Ferrari, so that's probably why I wrote Enzio (like Enzo :P ) instead of Anzio :P

The song actually tells a lot about Waters' father (for example, he was in Royal Fusileers Company C - "and no one survived from the Royal Fusileers Company C") and about the battle itself ("it was dark all around, there was frost in the ground when the Tigers broke free" - suggesting it was night/early morning, winter time, Tigers = German tanks, etc.)

Well I also liked the live acoustic chorus of Another Brick in The Wall pt 2 that Roger Waters performed on his tour. It's always very interesting to hear the songs you like in a slightly different way :)

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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:32 pm
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Yeah but what British television Show is paid homage to by a phrase from the theme song performed on one of the songs from Animals, and on numerous live recordings? One being Delicate Sound of thunder where an additional phrase from the song is played. Presumably the whole phrase was not completed on Animals so to avoid potential… law suit.

P.S. May as well change the title of the thread :lol:

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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:59 pm
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Yeah but what British television Show is paid homage to by a phrase from the theme song performed on one of the songs from Animals, and on numerous live recordings? One being Delicate Sound of thunder where an additional phrase from the song is played. Presumably the whole phrase was not completed on Animals so to avoid potential… law suit.

P.S. May as well change the title of the thread :lol:


That I would not know for sure as I am not from Britain, think I read about it somewhere though.. Monty Python? I know they were big fans of it and also donated some money to keep it going.

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The show is Doctor Who, and a partial phrase fom the theme song can be heard in Sheep during the middle section where the Vocoder processed "The Lord is my shepherd..." spoken word is at around 6:44

It can also be heard in the middle section of 'One of These Days' on Delicate Sound of Thunder. In that recording, the main phrase of the Doctor Who theme is played in full. My guess on that one is its played by Tim Renwick but I could be wrong.
Appears around 2:45

I've also heard it elsewhere on bootlegs.

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Ahh yeah, I don't watch that show :P Thought it might have been Monty Python because they were fans of it and supported the filming of MP :)

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Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:21 pm
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Hi Captain,
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Yeah but what British television Show is paid homage to by a phrase from the theme song performed on one of the songs from Animals, and on numerous live recordings? One being Delicate Sound of thunder where an additional phrase from the song is played. Presumably the whole phrase was not completed on Animals so to avoid potential… law suit.

P.S. May as well change the title of the thread :lol:


Change the tittle of the thread.. it could be right but it is likely that they would move us to another section of the forum :-)

Now I've found on Youtube that theme and is really recognizable! is the same as the part on Raving and Drooling or Sheep. Yes, also in the mid part of One of these days on Delicate sound of thunder..
but from which years they use that theme in the TV program? the tittle of "mix" video i found on youtube says since '63 but I think I understand that it is a cover version.
Maybe I misunderstood but .. If the theme really existed since 1963 means that that Sheep part was inspired by an old theme ? then, this is something i didn't know.

EDIT: and of course that tune partially was firstly on One of these days in Meddle.. as you said.. now i have listen to the song again and i'm aware of it and that tune was composed in the '60..
i have also find this explanation by Laura041974 on youtube : "Pink Floyd went to the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. They were taught by Delia Derbyshire, who made the first version of Ron Grainer's theme. Later on she said, " I remember having a really wild time with Pink Floyd. They wanted to learn all our secrets!"

just to say ... here in Italy for several years (since '92 seems) a part of One Of These Days (from the part of the bass, about a minute) is the theme of "Dribbling" and given the name, I will not explain what kind of sports program is .. :-) but from a few months instead someone have redone that song but a modified version with other types of layered synth sound. You can still recognize that it is the same song but I think it was better if they left the original. :wink:


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Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:04 pm
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I saw Pink Floyd up close and personal right after "Animals" and right before "The Wall" in *surround sound* outdoors with a monstrous flying pig and it was raining ever so lightly and they were under this really huge umbrella that reached out like some kind of Leviathan.

Surreal to say the least!

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