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Post subject: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:00 am
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Hello,

Picking up a new pedal next week and thinking about getting a Fuzz Face mini. Been watching youtube demos and really digging what I hear. Wondering if anyone has tried a Fuzz Face into their mustang (preferably the mini) with success. Was looking at the You Dirty Rat but the Mini Fuzz Face is just adorable and its going to be hard to pass on that one.

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:45 am
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captainc wrote:
Hello,

Picking up a new pedal next week and thinking about getting a Fuzz Face mini. Been watching youtube demos and really digging what I hear. Wondering if anyone has tried a Fuzz Face into their mustang (preferably the mini) with success. Was looking at the You Dirty Rat but the Mini Fuzz Face is just adorable and its going to be hard to pass on that one.


Hi Captainc,
i don't know but i take this opportunity to restate i would like also, as an alternative to the real thing, to get a fuzz face model, in the Mustangs, (with an added tone/filter control for more flexibility.. ) by a next V.2 firmware update.
let's hope..
when i need that sound i can use the '60 fuzz model on my roland gr-55 but products of that brand have not models (amp,stomp..) as good as Mustang ones.

Yesterday I went to the house of my guitar teacher because he wanted to try and know better the Mustang 3 V.2 ...
first made ​​me listen to his presets (patch) made ​​in the Boss GT-10 which uses with his cover rock band, but everyone seemed to me too thin or shrill .. too cold.
( was factory or users presets he hadn't tweak almost at all, though)
However, for great respect, I have refrained almost at all from making comments until the end of all tests including those on the Mustang.

Then he moved to try the Mustang, with my presets for "Europa" (Santana) but especially the preset "ACDC", downloaded from the Fender FUSE community.

As we were taking the volume of the amp relatively low (problems of apartment building) finally admitted that he could hear and feel realism, warmth and feeling as, to say, in its real old Marshall 4x12 .. or as in the recording of ACDC.

Moral of the story, he confirmed my only partial satisfaction of the products for Guitar by Boss / Roland (for guitar synth are on the contrary a reference) .. and was so well impressed (I did not expect) that he thought that he will add a Mustang 3 v2 to its equipment .. thinking of using the GT-10 only to add a few modulation effects in the send/return of amp, if necessary.
this for me says a lot about the difference between the older generation of digital modeling and the new (as said Jedi2b the new one is in Fender and Fractal audio technologies)

If I'm not mistaken I thought I read on a post, you have a GT-6 (I had a GT-5, then VG88, and now GR-55) ..
what is your impression about the models of amplifiers, distortions and other effects in general compared to Fender technology?

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:31 am
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frondizi wrote:

If I'm not mistaken I thought I read on a post, you have a GT-6 (I had a GT-5, then VG88, and now GR-55) ..
what is your impression about the models of amplifiers, distortions and other effects in general compared to Fender technology?

thanks
Dimitri

I was quite happy with the GT6 until I got the Mustang. Indeed the mustang amp models are very natural. The amp models on the boss can be good but the fender Models I had were a pain to really dial in (for me at least) the tweed being the worst. Never got it nearly as good as what the fender can do and with the mustang, its pretty much already there you just have to tweak to taste. The Marshall plexi model IMO might be slightly better on my GT6 to my ears but I’ve read lately that folks are using the Bassman model on the mustang for marshally tones so going to try that this weekend. I’m happier with the OD’s on the GT6 but the unit (again IMO) is not transparent at all so when I did hook it up, it seemed to cover up the beauty of the Mustang and since I was bypassing everything but the stomps on the GT6 I don’t bother with it anymore and trading it in. Yes, the Mustang can do with a good fuzz face and maybe a slight improvement on some of the distortion stomps to sound a little more natural but I’m happy using external boxes so I’m not as tied to fuse. Luckily the Mods, Delays and Reverbs are on the knobs so as long as I have clean presets I’m happy with I can just use external drives and use the knobs on top to EQ, add amp gain, or change mod and dely.

That’s my story so far.

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 5:10 pm
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captainc wrote:

I was quite happy with the GT6 until I got the Mustang. Indeed the mustang amp models are very natural. The amp models on the boss can be good but the fender Models I had were a pain to really dial in (for me at least) the tweed being the worst.

Yes, i agree and in my experience i had problems , for example in Roland virtual guitar (VG88) , to find a realistic tone from Mesa boogie models.. the BG Lead (boogie lead) with its default cabinet .. i wasn't satisfied, i couldn't get correct Santana tones starting from Europa studio version as reference.. expecially if i used a compressor or overdrive to boost the model ..
a little better with the medium cabinet to match better the combo boogie mark 3..

at today with the mesa model in Mustang overbiased (but with gain at minimum levels) and the fender fuzz model to boost it , i can obtain with my yamaha SG800 a realistic '70 Santana tone working with the balance between 2 volumes on the guitar like with a real tube amp (one fixed at 3 and the other from 3 to 7 or up to 10 depending on the setting of Master of the Mustang) and the tone is quite transparent , realistic and also dynamic. the rest of the 3 categories of effects, modulations, delay, reverb, also contribute to the beauty of the sound rather than make it dirtier.

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The Marshall plexi model IMO might be slightly better on my GT6 to my ears but I’ve read lately that folks are using the Bassman model on the mustang for marshally tones so going to try that this weekend.

about 2 years ago my guitar teacher came here to try the VG88 and about the marshall models 1959 his impressions was: the second channel (normal or smooth channel ) wasn't convincing. the first channel (bright) was a little more convincing for what concern the tone but... the sound of this model (and several other) seemed to him generally rather flat.. they lacked the dynamic, the response to the strenght of picking or strumming .. which confirmed to him that the digital compared to the vacuum tube was not valid. (As said with the Mustang yesterday he had to change his mind.)
by the way... amp stage from Blackface + amp stage from Bassman = early Mesa Boogie project.
Also early Marshall should be a modification of a Fender project.. now i don't remember exactly the details..

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I’m happier with the OD’s on the GT6 but the unit (again IMO) is not transparent at all so when I did hook it up, it seemed to cover up the beauty of the Mustang

and here we are at the most important point of the question: as you add stompbox effects, from Roland pedalboards (or boss who is the same) .. it adds a kind of mist, a background noise which disturbs the transparency of the Fender.
Conclusion: better to deal with od/distortions in the amplifier including at the moment (hoping that these Fender releases software updates, with various models and additional effects) or like you said add some real pedals in front of the amplifier (and / or in the loop, post Amp ... in those Mustang models that have it)


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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 7:30 am
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Fonz,

I picked up the Silicon Fuzz Face Mini yesterday. Didn’t get to play with it long since it was pretty late by the time I got home but I’m hoping to get a chance to crank it up this weekend. First impressions through headphones using the HiWatt model; definitely worth checking out if you are looking for a great fuzz to substitute for the one on the Mustang. I opened it up and it has the BC108 Transistors and also includes a trimpot to adjust Bias. I didn’t mess with that yet as I wanted to see how it did stock first but I’m going to have a lot of fun with this pedal. Seems to play nice with the mustang so far, got a little flabby with the external OD pedal after it which I attribute to possibly overloading the front end but I didn’t spend any time dialing it in. On its own it sings. Going to play around a bit some more. I highly recommend checking it out if you’re a fuzz face type of guy.

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:02 am
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Hi
excellent buy, congratulations!

Interesting is the presence of the bias trimpot .. so in case one wants a more customized sound can always do some experiment .. marking, however, a visual reference to return to the default setting .. if the result is poor.
From what I know, the mini fuzz face should be the same as the larger version (or standard) what changes is only the size of the shell. Right?

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:34 am
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I’m not an expert on fuzz faces having admittedly just caught “the fuzz bug” but I believe the standard fuzz faces that were manufactured by Dunlop in the later years did not have the BC108 Transistors which this one definitely has and is supposedly built to original spec with the exception of the Bias trim and LED light. I could very well be mistaken though.

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:39 am
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captainc wrote:
Hello,

Picking up a new pedal next week and thinking about getting a Fuzz Face mini. Been watching youtube demos and really digging what I hear. Wondering if anyone has tried a Fuzz Face into their mustang (preferably the mini) with success. Was looking at the You Dirty Rat but the Mini Fuzz Face is just adorable and its going to be hard to pass on that one.


Hello captainc,
I have germanium fuzz face clone with matched parts and transistor like original FF. I have Mustang I V.1 and then I sold it for V.2. The problem is on V.1 there is a lot of digital fizz, I think it because it's DSP can't handle some high input, or already distorted signal, so it will be digitally distorted. It's sound like you play Fuzz Face demo on youtube with 144p video option.

But now on Mustang I V.2 that problem is solved (maybe if you put booster with highest gain there will be fizzy too, and fuzz face doesn't give you much volume boost at all). And I can play it through my Mustang I V.2 without any problem. And it sounds good too.




frondizi wrote:
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Interesting is the presence of the bias trimpot .. so in case one wants a more customized sound can always do some experiment .. marking, however, a visual reference to return to the default setting .. if the result is poor.

You should know abut biasing transistor before you tweak it, right?
And maybe tweaking bias is just needed on germanium fuzz face.
frondizi wrote:
From what I know, the mini fuzz face should be the same as the larger version (or standard) what changes is only the size of the shell. Right?

and using millenium bypass. Other part is not actually same as original (big) FF, but it's only equal at it's value.

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Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:14 pm
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azz_inside wrote:
Hello captainc,
I have germanium fuzz face clone with matched parts and transistor like original FF. I have Mustang I V.1 and then I sold it for V.2. The problem is on V.1 there is a lot of digital fizz, I think it because it's DSP can't handle some high input, or already distorted signal, so it will be digitally distorted. It's sound like you play Fuzz Face demo on youtube with 144p video option.

But now on Mustang I V.2 that problem is solved (maybe if you put booster with highest gain there will be fizzy too, and fuzz face doesn't give you much volume boost at all). And I can play it through my Mustang I V.2 without any problem. And it sounds good too.


I was using an OCD clone as my post FF overdrive. It was set to mid gain with a moderate level. The best way I can describe the sound was flabby breathing so guessing its hitting front end too hard (Is there a limiter in front of the A/D converter? kinda resembled the sound of pushing a comp/lim way too much. Will try and dial it out but I can probably easily just use one of the OD stomps or the ranger boost to achieve what I want. I use the OCD clone mainly for chunky rhythm sound anyway so I’m not too worried about dialing that in for use with the Fuzz. This FF definitely stands well on its own and the ODs on the Mustang are great IMO.

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Post subject: Re: Fuzz Face (mini) into Mustang
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:57 am
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I'm torn on this. Love this pedal but I'm afraid it might not be a good fit for the Mustang. By itself seems fine but having a little trouble getting it to bite the way i want it to without seemingly overloading the front end. I'm trying to achieve the tone on the "Time" solo. I can almost get the grit but as soon as I give it a little more push, it flubs out. Any advice? Going to try putzing with it this weekend with the Ranger Booster in Fuse but if this pedal just isn't a good match i might exchange for "You Dirty Rat". I hate to return it though.

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