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Post subject: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:37 pm
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I like the M III V2, I hated the sounds after tweaking prests on my Gretsch Setzer signature.. I knew I would have to get a high end amp (tubey) to get the right sound out of the guitar,,,, well today, I turned the master to 3 and 1/2 and since I have the treble bleed mod on the guitar, I turned the master volume on the guitar down, and there it is! Wham! Right in the $@!&! The sound I wanted all along!!! Just hope anyone who reads this, and thinks a $3000 Guitar through a $300 amp won't work? It did today! Thank GOD for this! I was close to keeping the amp and getting rid of the Gretsch.. Just wanted to let you know! MK

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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:47 pm
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the price of an electric guitar is not a factor in how it will sound regardless of amp used, guitar pickups are magnetic and do not pickup the sound of the guitar's wood, unless the pickups happen to be microphonic, the sound of an electric guitar comes from it's electronics, hardware, and the players hands, the wood plays no part in the sound of an amplified electric, acoustics are another story, you could take a cheap guitar upgrade the bridge, nut, tuners and electronics and it will sound just as good as an expensive guitar with identical hardware and electronics, more expensive guitars cost more because of the wood used and the hardware and electronics, but that does not necessarily mean that a more expensive guitar will sound better, alot of it is pseudo effect, sure it's nice to have an expensive guitar, but any guitar with good action, electronics and hardware will do just fine


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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:21 pm
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mak1965 wrote:
I like the M III V2, I hated the sounds after tweaking prests on my Gretsch Setzer signature.. I knew I would have to get a high end amp (tubey) to get the right sound out of the guitar,,,, well today, I turned the master to 3 and 1/2 and since I have the treble bleed mod on the guitar, I turned the master volume on the guitar down, and there it is! Wham! Right in the $@!&! The sound I wanted all along!!! Just hope anyone who reads this, and thinks a $3000 Guitar through a $300 amp won't work? It did today! Thank GOD for this! I was close to keeping the amp and getting rid of the Gretsch.. Just wanted to let you know! MK


Hi Mak,

after stupidly playing through my mustang 3 for two years at a master volume 2, I accidentally discovered the other day that increasing the master volume to 3 makes it sound 10 times better, particularly for clean and compressed sounds. The only explanation I found is that below a certain volume level, the mustang 3 speaker will simply not reproduce some frequencies (low mids and bass particularly), in other words, to make the amp model sound as it was designed by fender I think a minimum power is required through the speaker.
Too bad for the wife and kids, I'm not turning volume down ever again.


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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:00 pm
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That 's what I was saying too, for some time ...
paradoxically an amp with digital models such as the Mustang (our 3 v.2 but also v.1) needs volume in a manner similar to a tube amp ..
maybe it needs less than the real amp, to get a great sound, but as I said a few days ago to some of you, if you set the amp to the volume of a little mosquito or let's say a little pocket radio (still exist?) , your ear will fails to capture the various nuances (also produced by modulations effect) and above all, is not sensitive enough to certain frequencies (suppose even that you produce some overtones such in the real thing?) even if we are talking about a range of frequencies more restricted compared to full audible spectrum.

Also I, have realize that it is preferable, after to have balanced your presets too loud and too low , raise the master knob until you get a generous and fair representation of the signal amplified..
clearly at other times you may choose, or better you have to choose to keep the Master lower (night hours, and hours of siesta :-) and so on ... ) A compromise at times necessary.
I think it is good that these amplifiers contravene to the belief that a digital amp sounds good and equal to any output level. For me it is a myth to dispel. And I am sure that even if you buy an Axe Fx 2 and amplify very low, even it might not express itself properly.

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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:42 pm
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Well, after using the 3 1/2, 3 is also working, less than that? not a good sound at all! But thanks to the Gretsches Master Volume turned way down,,, its full and still not any louder! Main problem was the TV Jones Classic bridge pup,, sounded really bad, but now she sounds great. I agree any guitar would act the same with the settings I found today. I appreciate the input and am glad you agree. The Mustang Is a great amp and after having many amps I would say, this is one of the best ones I have owned! And in a few weeks, I can turn up even more! Moving out of apartment to a house! Speaker will get broken in! Thanks again! MK

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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:27 pm
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the price of an electric guitar is not a factor in how it will sound regardless of amp used, guitar pickups are magnetic and do not pickup the sound of the guitar's wood, unless the pickups happen to be microphonic, the sound of an electric guitar comes from it's electronics, hardware, and the players hands, the wood plays no part in the sound of an amplified electric, acoustics are another story, you could take a cheap guitar upgrade the bridge, nut, tuners and electronics and it will sound just as good as an expensive guitar with identical hardware and electronics, more expensive guitars cost more because of the wood used and the hardware and electronics, but that does not necessarily mean that a more expensive guitar will sound better, alot of it is pseudo effect, sure it's nice to have an expensive guitar, but any guitar with good action, electronics and hardware will do just fine


Let me disagree ...
the woods with which it is built a guitar even a solid body, provide resonance enhance certain frequencies more than others, change the attack of the sound, this is also influenced by the different construction method bolt-on neck(twangy Stratocaster resonance), glued-in (Les Paul, softer attack, long sustain) or Neck Thru (Yamaha SG2000 / 3000 even softer attack and very long sustain) and combinations of woods used .. for example mahogany helps sustain over a range of low frequencies the maple on the high ones. Some PRS guitars are known for the particular piano like strong attack/resonance provided by neck in brasilian rosewood.
If the wood is of poor quality will be poor resonance, and good pickups will not be valorized properly.
I played in a music store a PRS Santana III (which is not considered to the level of excellence of a Santana II or I) and it was magic in the attack, in resonance, sustain, powerful voice, and it sounded "woody" (by the way ... amp: Mustang II v.1) The Les Paul Custom vintage of my guitar teacher is great but not sent me that kind of feelings.
The same applies to the signature Gilmour Black Strat .. feels that it is built with high quality woods ... is a guitar "solid" (tried with my Mustang 3 v.2 before to buy it)
If you put the same pickups or Strat standard single coil pickup on a guitar in mahogany can not sound the same way as far as the mahogany can be of good quality .. is not maple and alder.
As you know, if you are lucky sometimes you can find a Fender Squier, that sounds like a good Stratocaster but usually changing the pickups or other parts will not turn that guitar in a real good guitar because the woods are of poor quality.. not seasoned and so on...

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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:17 am
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negative, the wood is not a factor in an amplified electric, the bridge the strings used, the pick, the nut, these will make a difference, but not the wood, electric guitar tonewood is a myth, you could have a solid body electric made out of concrete, it would sound the same amplified as an electric guitar made of wood, something can be said of the quality and attention to detail that goes into a higher priced guitar, but the wood still does not matter, you are entitled to disagree but i have done many studies on this topic and the fact of the matter is guitar pickups are magnetic wood is not. any difference that you believe you are hearing is psychosomatic, pseudo effect, I am not here to argue only stating a fact, more expensive guitars are in fact nicer but that does not mean that they sound better, most of the sound produced by an electric is the pickups, the rest is the players hands.


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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:06 am
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Active PUs sound (almost) the same on any wood.

Passive pickup are influenced by wood because of string resonating differently.

I use to own the same PU on two different guitars,Mahogany and Basswood, and Mahogany sound pretty darker. Also sustain of the strings is influneced by the wood. Single piece of wood have more sustain than a bolton guitar with body made of multiple pieces of wood.

Also shape and wood quantity change the tone. And pickup position for what matter:

24 frets guitars have the neck pickup off the armonic point and volume is lower. Different volume means different balance in freqs.

Distance between strings and magnet influence reversly volume, definition and sustain.

The amound of metal in the bridge influnces the quantity of high freq in the tone

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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:23 am
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mordor74 wrote:
Active PUs sound (almost) the same on any wood.

Passive pickup are influenced by wood because of string resonating differently.

I use to own the same PU on two different guitars,Mahogany and Basswood, and Mahogany sound pretty darker. Also sustain of the strings is influneced by the wood. Single piece of wood have more sustain than a bolton guitar with body made of multiple pieces of wood.

Also shape and wood quantity change the tone. And pickup position for what matter:

24 frets guitars have the neck pickup off the armonic point and volume is lower. Different volume means different balance in freqs.

Distance between strings and magnet influence reversly volume, definition and sustain.

The amound of metal in the bridge influnces the quantity of high freq in the tone


Perfect!

Who does not believe it i say : Try to get natural sustain that have certain quality guitars, building a guitar with plywood or wood of the fruit boxes ..
if the guitar is born with a strong resonance easily you get natural sustain almost no need to engage the Larsen effect / feeback and without having to put to very high levels of gain a distortion or amplifier .. the compression from the amp of course will emphasize the natural sustain..
to say ... in my Yamaha SG800 bass notes sustain in a satisfactory manner, it is not a very long sustain, but it may be fine, while on the high notes we just do not .. is a guitar by the nice vintage sound but, as the SG1000, created to emphasize the attack of the notes, for rock music, it is not designated to have sustain very long ..
a luthier tested it and told me that the wood used to build it have an average resonance .. and among other things this is also the reason why you do not easily engages the feedback. I could get better but I bought it second-hand abroad, on Ebay UK ... I realized over time that was not exactly what I was looking for but in any case I could afford that.
do I have any regrets? No, Because I had to look for a SG2000, or 3000 (SBG, USA), or a PRS Santana .. IF I had the budget to do so. But i hadn't.

Sure ... I could always try to put new pickups or change the nut but the resonance of the body and neck of its native tree, that will remain.

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Post subject: Re: Master at 3 1/2 did it!
Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:23 am
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Kreature wrote:
the price of an electric guitar is not a factor in how it will sound regardless of amp used, guitar pickups are magnetic and do not pickup the sound of the guitar's wood, unless the pickups happen to be microphonic, the sound of an electric guitar comes from it's electronics, hardware, and the players hands, the wood plays no part in the sound of an amplified electric, acoustics are another story, you could take a cheap guitar upgrade the bridge, nut, tuners and electronics and it will sound just as good as an expensive guitar with identical hardware and electronics, more expensive guitars cost more because of the wood used and the hardware and electronics, but that does not necessarily mean that a more expensive guitar will sound better, alot of it is pseudo effect, sure it's nice to have an expensive guitar, but any guitar with good action, electronics and hardware will do just fine


Where do you get this stuff? Same hardware on 2 different bodies/necks can sound drastically different. I've done it. You are misinformed.


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Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:07 am
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vintagevibe wrote:
Kreature wrote:
the price of an electric guitar is not a factor in how it will sound regardless of amp used, guitar pickups are magnetic and do not pickup the sound of the guitar's wood, unless the pickups happen to be microphonic, the sound of an electric guitar comes from it's electronics, hardware, and the players hands, the wood plays no part in the sound of an amplified electric, acoustics are another story, you could take a cheap guitar upgrade the bridge, nut, tuners and electronics and it will sound just as good as an expensive guitar with identical hardware and electronics, more expensive guitars cost more because of the wood used and the hardware and electronics, but that does not necessarily mean that a more expensive guitar will sound better, alot of it is pseudo effect, sure it's nice to have an expensive guitar, but any guitar with good action, electronics and hardware will do just fine


Where do you get this stuff? Same hardware on 2 different bodies/necks can sound drastically different. I've done it. You are misinformed.


1 score for you vintagevibe! perhaps he is used to play with active pickups..
i don't like active pickups..


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