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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:38 am
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Wow Great tone HerWanna. Great sounding tune too. I just discovered the beauty of the Deluxe amp on this thing recently. I’ve been using the 65 Deluxe with some Chorus/Spring Verb on one preset and mile Vibrotone on another. Have to say, I’m happy to just leave my amp set with this and forget all the other models… it would still be an amazing value. Takes my OCD clone BEAUTIFULLY. I paid 30 bucks for that pedal and it works so well with the amp and especially the Deluxe.

Do you have that preset on Fuse? I’m curious to see how your settings compare to mine.


Thanks! Really appreciate that. Sorry to be unhelpful, but no, I have never messed around on Fuse! Never uploaded or downloaded. I have spent my time trying to learn how to play when I get a free 10 minutes. I will tell you that the setting there is basically the basic Deluxe (or Princeton...can't remember...any of the clean channels are great) setting with gain down to about 3 or 3.5 (EDIT: THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DURING A PHASE WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET SUPER CLEAN AND WAS PUTTING GAIN AT 1. RECENTLY I HAVE STARTED PUTTING GAIN AT 4 OR SO FOR MY "CLEAN" REALIZING IT'S STILL CLEAN THAT WAY....AFTER DISCOVERING CHORUS AND SOME OTHER STUFF, NOW THE SUPER CLEAN SOUNDS TOO THIN TO MY EARS) ( I actually think an acoustic guitar's tone is like having gain on 4 or 5, would you agree? My new thing is to say "why not use technology?" electric guitar and amps were invented...no reason to be SO thin and clean or "dry"....even a Grant Green jazz tone is super saturated with overdrive, I think...so now I use a little bit of gain)


and EQ with treble at about 6, middle at about 6.5 and bass at 5.5...reverb at 2.... basically if you just don't overdo anything...less is more....good clean tone IMO. (oh also I forget which video I posted but if there is a solo I also have a real Dunlop Crybaby pedal that I probably used in front of the looper).

As far as fuse....I like to make little adjustments right before I play something right there on the amp.....computer is in a different room. I don't even pay attention to saving my settings anymore!! I literally decide before I play a song which amp models and effects I want to assign to the 3 buttons and I set it up on the amp right then and there and don't care about where I save the presets or what they are called. Totally the opposite of going on fuse wanting to download whatever exact settings someone else created.

I just go with less is more......gain, level, depth...whatever particular effect we are talking about....I put stuff on 3 to 7....never 10.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:53 am
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Just compared your settings to what I have going on, Very similar. This is such a great model IMO.

On my Mustang II v.2 I’m at Gain 4, Trebel 4.5, Mid 8, Bass 4 and verb aroud 3 (just below) with a little chorus or vibratone depending on the mood and using the 2x12C Cab. I tried the Vibratone out when I first got the amp and at first was digging it but didn’t dial it in correctly so it was sort of taking over. A week or two ago I decided to try it out again and figured out how to set it so it’s more transparent and just colors the tone ever so slightly… now it’s a tough call between the chorus and the vibratone… I’m a Gilmour dork so this tickles my shine on Fancy in just the right place and works for just about everything else I’ve thrown at it.

As far as OD is concerned, don’t laugh but the friggin Joyo Ultimate Drive is the best 30 bucks I’ve ever spent. Pairs up perfectly with this amp and especially the deluxe preset. Its an OCD clone and sure the Cork Sniffers will poo poo the idea of a 30 dollar bounese pedal but whatever. It was Dirt cheap and the Mustang gets along nicely with it. The Fuzz Face not so much so I’m exchanging it for the You Dirty Rat. If I can get a nice distortion, a mid range OD (Joyo covers that plus has extra gain on tap) and then some kind of Blues Driver type mild OD I’ll be happy as a clam.

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:05 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
JipThePeople wrote:
Here is a post I made a few months ago and there is a link to a recording I made with the Mustang Floor. I got great clean tones as well as SRV OD tones in my recordings. See what you think.

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=88083


sounds awesome


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:39 am
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JipThePeople wrote:
Here is a post I made a few months ago and there is a link to a recording I made with the Mustang Floor. I got great clean tones as well as SRV OD tones in my recordings. See what you think.

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=88083


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That was amazing. Nicely done!

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 6:06 am
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captainc wrote:
JipThePeople wrote:
Here is a post I made a few months ago and there is a link to a recording I made with the Mustang Floor. I got great clean tones as well as SRV OD tones in my recordings. See what you think.

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=88083


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That was amazing. Nicely done!


Thx! The magic IMO on getting a great tone out of the Mustang Floor is to put the OD after the amp in the signal chain. I have NOT been able to mimic the SRV tone I can get from the Mustang Floor with any other combination of conventional pedals, not even close, especially at bedroom volumes.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 4:40 pm
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JipThePeople wrote:
Thx! The magic IMO on getting a great tone out of the Mustang Floor is to put the OD after the amp in the signal chain. I have NOT been able to mimic the SRV tone I can get from the Mustang Floor with any other combination of conventional pedals, not even close, especially at bedroom volumes.

Very interesting as I like your SRV tone a great deal but my Floor doesn't sound near enough distorted as your sound which brings me to this quote you made over at Fuse regarding your patch.

"This preset is based heavily around the Robben Ford OD 1 originally posted by ArneMK. Inserting the post gain overdrive is where the magic happens. I just toned down the reverb and dialed up some other minor tonal tweaks. This actaully sounds the best on the Mustang II when you crank the master volume up near 9 or 10!"

Huh,... you are cranking your Mustang 2 master volume to 9 or 10???? I find that hard to believe since it is a solid state amp and that kind of load should create some very ugly and nasty solid state distortion which it is not. I have a Mustang 2 as well and I would never even try that so i don't know. Could you elaborate on this? I love the patch but it doesn't quite sound like the sound you are getting with much less distortion and if it is indeed you cranking up that there master volume then I am completely and utterly amazed, detached, and flabbergasted.

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 7:48 pm
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I used to own the mustang 2 but I got the mustang floor. however, I used the same preset on either device to get that srv tone. I think the extra gain you hear is because I typically use the Seymour Duncan hot rails pickups in my strat and Tele so they are much higher output than a stock single coil pickup resulting in the extra gain. using the neck pickup is also key. Checkout the presets under my username, there are only a few and those are the clean and srv tones I used in my recordings.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:26 pm
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JipThePeople wrote:
I used to own the mustang 2 but I got the mustang floor. however, I used the same preset on either device to get that srv tone. I think the extra gain you hear is because I typically use the Seymour Duncan hot rails pickups in my strat and Tele so they are much higher output than a stock single coil pickup resulting in the extra gain. using the neck pickup is also key. Checkout the presets under my username, there are only a few and those are the clean and srv tones I used in my recordings.

Thanks for the clarification and you definitely sound great. 5*

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:34 pm
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I have checked out a variety of digital modeling amps and it seems Fender has come the closest to nailing the creamy distortion and early breakup reminiscent of the tube amps I grew up around.

The Mustang II presets for the 57 Deluxe and British 1960s (when cleaned up) sound excellent. My only criticism is the treble EQ exhibits just a tad of brittleness, but the overall tonal quality of the amp sounds convincing. Some of the high gain presets are also terrific when dialed in right. My only concern with digital amps is reliability, since one of the presets has already shifted to another one when I was playing. My guess it may be due to amp vibration or some other inherent anomaly.

The weakest point in the amp seems to be the stock speaker, which I plan to replace with a vintage Weber or Jensen. Overall it's the most realistic tube sound I have heard out a digital amp, with regard to several amp models when dialed in right.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:41 pm
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CliffS wrote:
I have checked out a variety of digital modeling amps and it seems Fender has come the closest to nailing the creamy distortion and early breakup reminiscent of the tube amps I grew up around.

The Mustang II presets for the 57 Deluxe and British 1960s (when cleaned up) sound excellent. My only criticism is the treble EQ exhibits just a tad of brittleness, but the overall tonal quality of the amp sounds convincing. Some of the high gain presets are also terrific when dialed in right. My only concern with digital amps is reliability, since one of the presets has already shifted to another one when I was playing. My guess it may be due to amp vibration or some other inherent anomaly.

The weakest point in the amp seems to be the stock speaker, which I plan to replace with a vintage Weber or Jensen. Overall it's the most realistic tube sound I have heard out a digital amp, with regard to several amp models when dialed in right.


If you are nearly completely happy with your II, you should find a way to step up to the III, which has a decent Celestian speaker and more power (but can still sound good at low volume), and has the ability to edit things on the amp. And I think II doesn't even have as many models, etc. I have heard the reason your presets jumped was physical vibration, probably, because the II is smaller/lighter so pushing it a little bit probably literally caused vibration and physical movement of the dial, which is not a problem with III and IV. IMO you should try a III instead of modding the speaker in a II.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
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Hi Guys, Just signed up to the forum, this is my first post. I just picked up my Mustang III V2 last week. So far I am in love. Mine differs from factory as the dealer installed a Celestion G12 speaker as an option for me and removed the factory one. The G12 sounds really nice coupled with this amp, and it weighs 10lbs lighter than a factory amp. So if you wish for more richness from the amp, I highly recommend a speaker like the G12!

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 6:58 pm
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NT1078 wrote:
Hi Guys, Just signed up to the forum, this is my first post. I just picked up my Mustang III V2 last week. So far I am in love. Mine differs from factory as the dealer installed a Celestion G12 speaker as an option for me and removed the factory one. The G12 sounds really nice coupled with this amp, and it weighs 10lbs lighter than a factory amp. So if you wish for more richness from the amp, I highly recommend a speaker like the G12!

Adam


Congrats, Adam! I just had a IV V2 fall from the heavens and into my hands. A clean tone as good as can be found in the V2 Serie's '57 Deluxe will be hard to find and cost multiples.

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:28 am
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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:15 pm
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All the Mustang III's and up have Celestion g12 speakers. The III has a g12T-100, and the IV has 2 g12t-75's. Not sure which exact model is in the 4x12 cab for the V.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:28 am
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CliffS wrote:
The weakest point in the amp seems to be the stock speaker, which I plan to replace with a vintage Weber or Jensen. Overall it's the most realistic tube sound I have heard out a digital amp, with regard to several amp models when dialed in right.


You will spend more money swapping out your Mustang II's speaker than you would upgrading to a Mustang III which gives you a Celestion and way more features to boot! Mustang III V1s are dirt cheap on the used market and the MUstang III, IV and V V2 are each worth every penny brand new let alone used for the upgrades Fender has made to them.

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