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Post subject: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:24 am
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Limiting this question to M3 and M4, because the speakers matter and M1 sounds like garbage (I have one--or my dad does), and M2 is also very toy-ish.

Many people rave at the clean tones the M3 and M4 can give you. Sounds "almost like the real thing." Good low end "like the real thing." Like the Deluxe Reverb or Bassman settings. People like them. I have an M4 and I think the Deluxe (and other) clean tones sound pretty darn clean to me. Seems to amplify (very loudly if turned up just a little!) whatever my guitar gives it, including fret buzz, very responsive to pick attack.

But I'm an amateur, newer player, and I've never heard a real DRRI other than 2 seconds in a GC. (I'm sure I've heard Deluxe Reverbs my entire life when they were used on famous recordings, but I mean standing in front of one and hearing it like I hear my amp in real life.) For those who know the difference, just how close does the Mustang get?

If the DRRI's tone is a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10, as perfect as a clean tone can be, what's the Mustang 4's Deluxe Reverb model tone? Is it a 7? 4? 9? Sounds tinny or "far away" and not even close to the real thing?

I seem to like mine more or less from one day to the next, depending I guess on my mood or how I have the EQ set. Sometimes I think I hear a nice bell-like tone and plenty of low end, but other days it seems harsh to me (same guitar--American standard strat). I also never get to turn it up as I play in an apartment and can't so much as find someone with whom to jam let alone be in a band and play out.

Just curious if anyone has any thoughts. Seems like tube guys with real amps are tube guys who have not played a mustang, and mustang guys are mustang guys (usually newer players like me) and I'm not sure how many have played both.

Does the answer change with volume? I've heard some say the Mustang sounds pretty authentic at low volume (which is great for practice at home) but the real difference or where the real thing really shines (or the mustang fails) is when one really turns it up at stage volume in a club. I'm not talking about needing "breakup" tube sweet spot...still talking about crystal clear clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 12:41 am
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I also have a Mustang I and it does not suck at all... but...

Any change of volume need some subtle change in the eq setting, it does not matter if you are solid, tube, hybrid or digital. I can tell because i have owned it all.

Different frequences give you different perception of volume and moves in the room in different way.

Example 1:

It is harder to tell where basses comes from while it is easyer for higher frequences...

Example 2:

in car audio system woofer and subwoofer (basses) are usually mono and have more amp power than tweeters (treble...)

So i guess that a lower volumes you need to rise a bit the basses.

This goes for changing amp too...

you cannot expet the same preset to sound the same to your ear in a MI and an MV, you need some tweaking.

That said, there is also the mood factor. My taste vary from day to day, i always do some adjustment to fit the mood of the day. Sometimes i just cannot play some preset :D :D :D

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:38 am
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M1 doesn't suck, but also can't compete with the bigger versions for volume. Some of the models will sound better at higher volume than others.

'57, Bassman and Brit 60s clean up really well. I add a touch of term, reverb or chorus to fill the sound out.

Don't know how authentic they are, but it doesn't really matter, they sound good in their own right, and it seems silly to want to justify the purchase by comparing it to the 'real things' that would cost a few grand to buy.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:04 am
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Hi,
of real tube amp I have heard and played a little just a clean Fender Super Reverb (vintage of '60s of my guitar teacher ..) and it sounded sweet, warm.. the tube bias tremolo among other things, was magical. unfortunately I can not tell then to make a comparison with the models in my Mustang 3 v.2.

For the rest:
even if it is digital, the amplifier Mustang needs a bit of output level to be able to begin to express himself in order to give satisfaction. If you put it low like a mosquito .. it's all in miniature clearly. (see the following paragraphs) It seems to me that at that smallest volumes is easier to experience those famous phenomena of "fizz" (I want to clarify, on the saturated tones no clean ones) complained over time from various users.

From physics / high fidelity:
put the cab / loudspeaker close to the walls and / or near the corners you strengthens low frequency response .. and so unbalances the response on high frequencies. Depends on what one wants to achieve. if there is a shortage of low can be done in smart way to compensate.

At low volumes the human ear is less sensitive at low frequencies as well as at high / ultra high .. then it may seem that everything sounds more midrangey or rather lacking in those frequencies if you do not do proper compensation (such as loudness control in certain amplifiers .. but it is not considered high fidelity)

Experts in high fidelity (as Jim Smith, author of the fantastic manual Get Better Sound http://getbettersound.com/about.html) confirm that you are not crazy to think that today the sound of your system sounds sweet and tomorrow the same system (and even the same cd , song) sounds so ugly or so squeaky it makes you want to turn off everything.
it may also be dirty electrical current at certain times / days but surely, the person's mood affects the perception of sound at that time .. then i would say it also applies to the guitar amplifier ..
Going back to the matter of sound level: he also says that in a comparison you will like it more that system (amplifier) that sounds louder .. thus by extension if I take a digital amp model and I do play too low (even compared to another) it is likely that it can give me a bad impression or the wrong impression.

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:24 am
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My co-guitar player in my band uses an M3 with a Tele, and while it sounds decent and very loud I feel it lacks a little shine when comparing it to my SupersonicTwin with a WRHB Jazzmaster. Now I am not even sure if this is a fair comparison as both guitars and amps are different and could have a major impact on the results individualy or combined.

Needless to say the M3 still sounded good.

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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:13 am
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The whole line of Mustang have awesome cleans. I believe the general consensus is that for clean tones, most listeners, even guitarists, cannot tell the difference between tube and solid state. At least when the test is a real double blind test.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 11:56 am
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emcron wrote:
The whole line of Mustang have awesome cleans. I believe the general consensus is that for clean tones, most listeners, even guitarists, cannot tell the difference between tube and solid state. At least when the test is a real double blind test.


Right!
saturated tones instead are more challenging without a doubt:
they are subject to the "fizz" or more precisely to the phenomenon of hard clipping.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:10 pm
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I think the clean tones are very good I have the M-III V2, I use the 59 Bassman for that dirty clean tone I don't really use a pure clean. I did find the 65 Deluxe sounds great for a good strong clean tone with plenty of low end, sounds great with my Les Paul the 65 Twin is nice as well.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 9:05 am
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Here's me on my M4 v1. I think this was Deluxe Reverb with just a bit of reverb.



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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:10 am
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Drubbing wrote:
M1 doesn't suck, but also can't compete with the bigger versions for volume. Some of the models will sound better at higher volume than others.

'57, Bassman and Brit 60s clean up really well. I add a touch of term, reverb or chorus to fill the sound out.

Don't know how authentic they are, but it doesn't really matter, they sound good in their own right, and it seems silly to want to justify the purchase by comparing it to the 'real things' that would cost a few grand to buy.


Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!

I have a 3, and I definitely went this route due to two things:

Better speaker. This has a huge influence on the sound of any amp.

more comprehensive on-amp user interface. While the idea of Fuse is really cool and quite functional, I can't be bothered to hook my amp up to a computer to get the full funcionality out of it. The III and up were just designed better for my needs.

okay- and it has an effects loop.

I like the clean sounds that it produces, and it will give you the full gamut from jangly acoustic-like tones to modern metal-like glassy cleans. The extra power, and the 12" G12T-100 are also helpful if you like your cleans glassy and punchy like I do.

I have to agree with Drubbs here on the Bassman model. Currently it's my favorite clean sound. I made it the default preset, with just a touch of the '63 Fender spring reverb. As often as not, I'll add some slow chorus to it for extra depth.

I do own a tube amp- still with some modelling-but still love my Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 10:18 am
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Her Wanna wrote:
Here's me on my M4 v1. I think this was Deluxe Reverb with just a bit of reverb.



Wow-that sounds really great!! Pretty much the sort of clean tone I prefer. You can actually FEEL it- even through my crappy laptop's speakers!

If you hadn't told me, I'd have never guessed that you WEREN'T using a tube amp.


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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:15 pm
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Here is a post I made a few months ago and there is a link to a recording I made with the Mustang Floor. I got great clean tones as well as SRV OD tones in my recordings. See what you think.

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=88083


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:54 pm
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emcron wrote:
The whole line of Mustang have awesome cleans. I believe the general consensus is that for clean tones, most listeners, even guitarists, cannot tell the difference between tube and solid state. At least when the test is a real double blind test.


is the touch sensitivity as good too?

I think my M4 is very responsive to pick attack, but, again, I have never played a real DRRI to compare.


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:55 pm
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JipThePeople wrote:
Here is a post I made a few months ago and there is a link to a recording I made with the Mustang Floor. I got great clean tones as well as SRV OD tones in my recordings. See what you think.

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=88083


sounds awesome


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Post subject: Re: Exactly How Good is Mustang's Clean Tone?
Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:33 am
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Wow Great tone HerWanna. Great sounding tune too. I just discovered the beauty of the Deluxe amp on this thing recently. I’ve been using the 65 Deluxe with some Chorus/Spring Verb on one preset and mile Vibrotone on another. Have to say, I’m happy to just leave my amp set with this and forget all the other models… it would still be an amazing value. Takes my OCD clone BEAUTIFULLY. I paid 30 bucks for that pedal and it works so well with the amp and especially the Deluxe.

Do you have that preset on Fuse? I’m curious to see how your settings compare to mine.

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