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Post subject: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:26 pm
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I posted this in the wrong section before. I just bought a Fender Mustang IV Combo. I am starting to make my own patches & wanted to know how to pull up a patch in an instant. I have both the 2 butoon & 4 button switches. If I make a clean patch at 00 then maybe have a phase patch at 08 do I have to tap the button 8 times to get there ? Am I missing something ? I have used the Cybertwin with a Behringer midi pedal for 12 years & had 10 banks of 10 & was able to switch in a split second. If i cant do this with the Mustang the amp is worthless to me.

Please help !!


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:35 pm
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I had the same problem and solved it this way

Put the presets in an order in which you will use them and with the 4 button switch go to the 2nd mode, and then you can toggle through them that way

My first settings are:
00 Lead Solo
01 Clean
02 Clean Lead Solo
03 Distortion
04 Distortion Lead Solo

hope this helps


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:13 am
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You can't, unfortunately, have "10 banks of 10" in the way you describe. If you put your footswitch into "quick access" mode (if you don't know what this is, check your amp documentation, the Fender support website or this forum for details) you can have three presets available with one button-press.

This limitation has been discussed several times before on this forum, with various workaround suggestions that let you get to a reasonable number of presets within two or three button-presses. One idea is is to use "quick access" mode on either your 2- or 4-button footswitch, in conjunction with up/down mode on the other. That allows you access to, for example, nine presets with one or two presses; or 15 presets with max 3 presses.

There are many other permutations. It can help to think about the order in which you use presets so you can organise them with the most common ones needing the fewest button presses. In your example, if the two presets you cite are frequently used, you could make 00 and 08 be two of your quick-access presets, and then put the presets you use in conjunction with 08 into positions 07 and 09, etc. Or if 00 is your main preset and 08 is a secondary, then don't store it in position 08, put it in position 01 so it's easily available by moving 'up' from 00.

It's possible to get to any of the 100 presets, starting from any other, with at most 8* button presses (if you have both the 2- and 4-button footswitches), and often far fewer. That's not necessarily useful for instant switching in a live environment, it just sets the upper bound on the problem: it isn't as bad as having to step through them all one at a time, or even a bank (of ten) at a time.

*I'm pretty certain it's 8, I don't have the amp in front of me right now to check, but will do so later.


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:46 am
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10 banks of 10 & was able to switch in a split second. If i cant do this with the Mustang the amp is worthless to me

You obviously know (because you have them) that the Mustang has its own 2 and 4 button switches rather than supporting any external footswtiches with more buttons, and thus it was never going to be possible to do the same as on your Cyber Twin (which I agree is a shame). So I'm curious how you think, or would like, the instant switching to work?

I'm guessing you don't really need to go to any arbitrary preset on a whim, instantly; there will be certain presets that you need to change between quickly (eg within a song), and others you have more time to switch to (eg for a new song). If you can explain your usage in more detail, it may make it easier to suggest a permutation of presets and footswitch settings that will do what you need.


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:50 am
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Ok that was very helpfull. Looks like Im gonna have to make certain presets for certain songs and keep the close together. Still a pain. An example would be a song I would play semi distorted, and theres a small phase shift part in it. Ok thats no big deal. Buth then I have songs that I play semi distorted with some delay parts in it, then I have to make a patch for each song to keep them close otherwise I'll be searching for the right effect patches. I will try this but I got a feeling the Mustangs will be going up for sale. Sad because it sounds great !!

One other question.... when making patches do you change the factory prestets or are there patches you can add other than the original 99.

I made my first patch & put it in 00. Then had trouble finding a place for patch #2. is there a 001 ?


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:39 am
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Here are some instructions on how to use the footswitches:

strings10927 wrote:
Mustang III 2-button Footswitch Instructions

Connect a 2-button footswitch to your Mustang amplifier to enable remote multi-function foot control.

Use the Utility menus to assign one of the following functions to the 2-button footswitch:

• Select presets (up/down)
• Select Quick Access presets (QA1/QA2)
• Bypass effects (various combinations)
• Set TAP interval


1. Press the UTIL button on the top of the amplifier to enter the Utility menu

2. Press the UTIL button 3 more times until the display reads 2-Btn Ftsw Mode. If you pass it by accident, just keep pressing UTIL until it comes around again

3. The footswitch will be set to Down/Up (default setting)

4. Turn the DATA WHEEL until the desired footswitch function is selected

5. Once the desired function is selected, press EXIT. The last thing you chose will stay.

These are the available functions:

a. Down/Up - choose this function if you'd like to simply scroll up and down through the presets. This allows you to scroll through all 100 presets in a linear fashion (in other words, you can't skip from preset 01 to preset 10 without pressing the Up button 9 times or the Down button 91 times).

b. QA1/QA2 - choose this function if you'd like to use the pedal to switch between 2 Quick Access presets of your choosing. You will not be able to scroll through the rest of the presets using the pedal if you choose this option.

c. Stomp/Mod - choose this option if you'd like button 1 to turn a stomp box for the selected preset on and off, and button 2 to turn a modulation effect for the selected preset on and off. You will not be able to scroll through the rest of the presets using the pedal if you choose this option.

d. Stomp/Delay - choose this option if you'd like button 1 to turn a stomp box for the selected preset on and off, and button 2 to turn the delay effect for the selected preset on and off. You will not be able to scroll through the rest of the presets using the pedal if you choose this option.

e. Stomp/Reverb - choose this option if you'd like button 1 to turn a stomp box for the selected preset on and off, and button 2 to turn the reverb effect for the selected preset on and off. You will not be able to scroll through the rest of the presets using the pedal if you choose this option.

f. Stomp/Tap - choose this option if you'd like button 1 to turn a stomp box for the selected preset on and off, and button 2 to set delay time or modulation rate settings for the selected preset by rhythmically pressing button 2. You will not be able to scroll through the rest of the presets using the pedal if you choose this option.

:idea: NOTE: You might wonder why there are 3 Quick Access slots when there are only 2 buttons on the footswitch. That's where the optional 4-button footswitch comes in. You can use it by itself to get similar options to the 2-button footswitch, but with a little more flexibility:

4-Button Footswitching options

Connect a 4-button footswitch to your Mustang amplifier to enable remote multi-function foot control. The footswitch display and LEDs show you some of the same information as the amplifier screen, so you can, for example, tune your guitar and select presets by watching the footswitch without ever looking at the screen onboard the Mustang III!

• Select Quick Access presets (QA1/QA2/QA3)
• Select presets (up/down/bank)
• Bypass effects
• Activate the Tuner


You can also use the 2-button and 4-button footswitches together to gain access to more than a dozen footswitch options:

6-Button Footswitching options

Plug both a 4-button and a 2-button footswitch into your Mustang amplifier to expand your remote control options. By assigning different functions to each footswitch you can create more than a dozen different foot control combinations.

For example, you could assign Quick Access presets to the 4-button footswitch and Up/Down presets to the 2-button footswitch. Or you could bypass effects with the 4-button footswitch and select presets with the 2-button footswitch.


If you are editing a preset on the amplifier, just press SAVE twice to save it. If you'd like to save it in a different preset position, press SAVE once, and then select the preset # you would like to save it over (using the data wheel) before pressing SAVE again.

NOTE: When you save a preset over another preset, you are overwriting the original settings for that preset so the original preset will no longer be available on your amp (unless you download it again via Fuse).

If you are editing a preset in Fender Fuse, you can click the SAVE button instead of pressing it on the amp. Click SAVE a second time to save the setting over the preset # you are editing, or type in a different preset # and click SAVE to overwrite that preset with your newly edited preset.

I'm going from memory (no amp or Fuse in front of me).

If you are using the 3 QA (Quick Access) slots, the presets do not need to be all next to each other. You could assign preset #00 to QA1, preset #22 to QA2 and preset #89 to QA3. Now when you press the 3 QA buttons on the 4 button footswitch (in mode 1) you will be able to access those 3 presets instantly when you press the pedals, even though they are far away from each other in the preset list.

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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:54 pm
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Wow..... my head hurts but I think I get it !! Thank you soo much for your information !! I think I can make this work. Like I said... I love the sound of this amp, its basicly a new version of the cybertwin IMO. Gonna print this out & get too work. Too bad I have 3 shows for the Harley 110th this weekend in Wisconsin & cant use it yet !! :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:05 am
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anytime! The info above is from the Advanced Manual for Mustang amps, I just organized it for the forum.

The 4-button pedal alone has been getting the job done for me so far. I'd love to do a 'cover band' again with this amp and see how it measures up to my old MIDI rack gear rig. It's pretty crazy what these amps can do for the price!

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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:21 am
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Fortunately for me I don't use a lot off fx and amp models so the 4 button & 2 button foot switches get the job done for me with instant patch changes. I set up my Mustang III (V2) using the MS-4 in QA(Quick Access) mode, QA1 is a clean tone - QA2 is my Crunch tone and QA3 is my solo tone which is just a boosted volume level of my crunch tone with some added delay and OD already preset!

One thing nice about the Mustang Version 2 is you can lock any one of the 3 modes on the MS-4 so you don't randomly change mode by accident

The MS-2 Ft switch is setup as a on/off switch for Stomp - Modulation fx on all 3 presets, real simple setup for me!


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Post subject: Re: Need help with multi patch's & how to do a quick recall
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 10:02 am
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Hi ryhowell,

We will be happy to assist. It seems that you have been given some great advice from other forum members, thanks guys:) - Please let us know if we can assist further.

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