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Post subject: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effect
Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:21 am
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I found the Simple Compressor to be very useful when set to Low setting.
It emulates tube-like compression in a quite authentic way!

I also found the new stompbox effects to be more than usable - a great leap forward from V.1 versions... The greenbox and orangebox effects are fantastic!

My problem is that I cannot use them at the same time. A BIG problem. I cannot set up presets with compression and stompbox. I am an IT developer myself so first I thought it could be an issue with the performance of the system. Well, it cannot, because it can easily operate 3 more after effects, so 2 pre-effects at the same time shouldn't have to be a problem.

Fender, please inform me, do you plan to allow more then one pre-effect in a future firmware release...?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:25 pm
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The way these amps have always been set is you can have one active effect from each category, there are four categories .. Stomp, Modulation, Delay, And Reverb, the way it has been the whole time is compressors fall under stomp effects so do the overdrives, so you are pretty much S.O.L on that one unless Fender somehow decides to change it, My guess is that it is not likely to happen,


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 4:12 am
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Hi,
I went beyond in my post on Wishlist topic:

I think it should also be possible to move an effect from one category to another, making it a "guest" in one of the empty slots in the host category.
For example being able to have precisely both the compressor and the distortion effect / fuzz .. or both phaser and chorus or other combinations...
Clearly, one (or more categories) would be sacrificed to make room for the effect (effects) guest. As with overdrive and comp .. one of the two should be host of "Modulation" if you do not use in that preset or maybe the host would be the Reverb or Delay section. So you have understood the mechanism a bit .. Often there is no need for all four categories simultaneously ...
And of course the order of the effects in the chain, as suggested recently at Fender, it should be possible directly from the amplifier without having to use Fuse .. (models with display).

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:50 am
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The purpose of a simple compressor in my chain would be opening up the sound a bit. Simple compressor on a clean channel, with 'low' setting really fattens the sound, makes it more tube-like without lack of dynamics of the notes I play. I would fain try it in front of an overdrive pedal. (Orange and green pedals are awesome as an overdrive, but I rather leave the gain of models below 3).

As a software designer expert (for more than 20 years....) I think re-grouping the pedals or letting more than one pedal sound in a group is a question of simple setting in the code. The only one limitation they can face is the performance, but this HW has plenty of that, I think.

I am curious to know what Fender whould say about futures firmware releases...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:02 am
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bjoc wrote:
I am curious to know what Fender whould say about futures firmware releases...


They would say...

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Thanks much for your thoughtful feedback here. We will make sure that the info. gets passed on to the right folks here at Fender.

Best Regards,


This is probably IMO the most useful upgrade they could do for the customer base.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:41 am
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bjoc wrote:

As a software designer expert (for more than 20 years....) I think re-grouping the pedals or letting more than one pedal sound in a group is a question of simple setting in the code. The only one limitation they can face is the performance, but this HW has plenty of that, I think.

I am curious to know what Fender whould say about futures firmware releases...


Hi,
Very interesting!

I think that the number of firmware updates can not be unrestricted of course, but it seems that Fender adopt the opposite policy ... you create an update only if there is a problem felt like really limiting .. first, and everything else is left aside if you eventually decide to do a welcome surprise to customers.
In my opinion, between the tide of updates (undubtely welcome) provided by companies like Fractal Audio and rare updates from Fender (or Roland that is not better) there must be a middle way that keeps the customer satisfied in relation to the price range of its product.
in an era where many improvements can be made in software, you can and should provide periodic updates to valorize a product, also over time.
By the way, even Panasonic (made ​​me angry) continues to adopt the policy of the 80s to make improvements only when there is a new line of products (televisions, video recorder etc..) But at that time it was understandable because there were no software updates you can download and use even without the help of a technician.
It was all (or almost all) based on the hardware.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:51 am
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I guess that every modeling amp around is already pushed to the limit.

Just look at the Zoom multi stomp. You can have up to 6 fx in the chain but... if you put an high definition reverb you can only have 5 fx in the chain... certain fx drawn more processing power than other. Same goes for the line6 hd technology: some fx draw more processing power and put bigger limits to your fx chain.

This thing is hard to understand for the average guitar player that comes from 2 channel amp with a floor full of stomps. So i guess that fender choose to have a system that it is easyer to understand.

Maybe Fender could easyly add another compressor in a different category but what if you engage two compressors together?

Get two modulation at the same time may be tricky since they usually use more processor power than drive/wah/comp.

To my taste the best solution is to expand your mustang with some stomp. If all you need is a compression i may suggest you a BEHRINGER DC9, pretty similar to the simple comp and really cheap.

If you are in the need for a chorus and have a mustang with an fx loop put a stomp there.

I, by myself, choose the previously mentioned zoom multistomp so i can have a number of differently flavored overdrive stomps, compression, eq, acustic simulator and a lovely autowah at the price of a single stomp. Since i have no fx loop i totally rely in own mustang mod/delay/reverbs. Actually the main use of the thing is put a wah in anypreset without having all preset doubled with wah on or off.

Also if you like clean with compression i have two other interesting solution for you:

1) in the fender amps model rise a bit the gain. For as much as it stay clean it will add typical fender-tube-clean-compressed tone. I guess you will love it!

2) put the compression after the amp

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 firmware questions - More than one pre-effec
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:37 am
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mordor74 wrote:
I guess that every modeling amp around is already pushed to the limit.

Just look at the Zoom multi stomp. You can have up to 6 fx in the chain but... if you put an high definition reverb you can only have 5 fx in the chain... certain fx drawn more processing power than other. Same goes for the line6 hd technology: some fx draw more processing power and put bigger limits to your fx chain.

This thing is hard to understand for the average guitar player that comes from 2 channel amp with a floor full of stomps. So i guess that fender choose to have a system that it is easyer to understand.

Maybe Fender could easyly add another compressor in a different category but what if you engage two compressors together?

Get two modulation at the same time may be tricky since they usually use more processor power than drive/wah/comp.
[...]
Also if you like clean with compression i have two other interesting solution for you:

1) in the fender amps model rise a bit the gain. For as much as it stay clean it will add typical fender-tube-clean-compressed tone. I guess you will love it!


Hi,
my multieffect unit (as said in precedent posts) is the Roland Gr-55 whose specialty is primarily to be a guitar synthetizer.. then it has a multieffect section (the chain lenght is similar to your Zoom and the order of effects is little editable) , instrument (as line6 Variax guitar technology) and amp/cab modeller , a looper and a band track player.
here too, despite being a pedalboard and not one stomp box, there is not a loop send - return. And there is not a direct guitar input .. but only the input hexaphonic. then you need the little control unit of Roland, which includes the hexaphonic pickup and also receives the signal from the guitar jack.

i have to say that as guitar synth and as instrument modeller, the features that interest me most, is very good, also mod/delay/reverb effects are of very good quality, but with regard to section overdrive / distortion in general there is the usual lack of transparency... the models tend to make the tone muddier and more confused ... probably the fact of adding digital blocks one after the other (for example, before the Mustang which is another digital section) raises the level of digital noise. This is true using a virtual guitar model, but it is the same even processing the direct signal of my true pickup.

i compared for example the Big Muff fuzz model in Gr-55 and the one in Mustang 3 v2 ... using the same setting on Mustang.. and switching off the other effects in Roland chain...
the fuzz Roland is undoubtedly more rough .. definitely a less enjoyable feeling .. not to mention that the tone control has not the filtering behavior as the real pedal.
Different matter the old Boss GT-5 (or similar successors), which was my first multieffect unit, but had a real analog circuit section for od / dist ..

For this reason I would like Fender did periodically updates including some other stomp / effect, and / or adding the functionality to activate 2 effects in the same category for example as well by the method of effect hosted by another section .. lead as mentioned earlier, to always have only one active effect for section but obviously at the expense of the category of hosting section .. would the choice of the musician, what activate and what not, according to the preset.
I would prefer to have the effect models from the same producer .. since they are very nice ..

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2) put the compression after the amp


just a question: why the compressor after the amp section? tell me more about you use it...
perhaps you mean the (studio) Compressor for a greater control on the output level? not the simple comp.
i have to say that almost always i prefer to use the complete Compressor instead the simple one , also for pre amp position .. the attack and release can be useful parameters.

Dimitri


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