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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:44 am
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jedi2b wrote:
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+1 there... I've noticed a lot of the preset downloads i've gotten from fuse have the Gain and preset volume maxed out. I'm not surprised folks are getting artifacts. I've been trying to start with a higher master volume and gain-staging accordingly and its been working out fine.


Depending on how hot your pickups are you do not need to increase gain by much to make it sound like that.
It gets worse with active pickups. My recommendation for people wanting to buy new mustangs would be to try it if possible with your guitar at the music store as you might not like the reduced possibilities if you have hot pickups.


I wonder if it would be possible for Fender to write a firmware patch that could make the tuner/mod FX indicator light or Tap Button act as a clip light. The Line 6 Axe212 has that and it was pretty handy. You could set your input level and if it starts going red, you know your overloading the A/D converter and can back it off.

just a thought.

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:50 am
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captainc wrote:
jedi2b wrote:
captainc wrote:
+1 there... I've noticed a lot of the preset downloads i've gotten from fuse have the Gain and preset volume maxed out. I'm not surprised folks are getting artifacts. I've been trying to start with a higher master volume and gain-staging accordingly and its been working out fine.


Depending on how hot your pickups are you do not need to increase gain by much to make it sound like that.
It gets worse with active pickups. My recommendation for people wanting to buy new mustangs would be to try it if possible with your guitar at the music store as you might not like the reduced possibilities if you have hot pickups.


I wonder if it would be possible for Fender to write a firmware patch that could make the tuner/mod FX indicator light or Tap Button act as a clip light. The Line 6 Axe212 has that and it was pretty handy. You could set your input level and if it starts going red, you know your overloading the A/D converter and can back it off.

just a thought.


wow, that is an EXCELLENT idea and I bet not too complicated to implement.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:20 am
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jedi2b wrote:
captainc wrote:
jedi2b wrote:

Depending on how hot your pickups are you do not need to increase gain by much to make it sound like that.
It gets worse with active pickups. My recommendation for people wanting to buy new mustangs would be to try it if possible with your guitar at the music store as you might not like the reduced possibilities if you have hot pickups.


I wonder if it would be possible for Fender to write a firmware patch that could make the tuner/mod FX indicator light or Tap Button act as a clip light. The Line 6 Axe212 has that and it was pretty handy. You could set your input level and if it starts going red, you know your overloading the A/D converter and can back it off.

just a thought.


wow, that is an EXCELLENT idea and I bet not too complicated to implement.


Hi,
all the more reason Fender should have regard for the holders of guitars with active pickups or simply more powerful than average ..
I am not thinking only to those who have metal guitars but many others, and to stay indoors Fender, for example a Fender Eric Clapton signature with noiseless pickups and active circuit midboost or a modern Strat with active pickups (lace sensor?) as he had David Gilmour ..
what they must do these owners? have to be forced to buy another guitar because what they have is too powerful? (or choose another amp)

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 9:26 am
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Guys, I wonder if a Radial Tonebone Dragster might help alleviate the Mustang's problems with high output pickups.
- http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/radial-engineering-tonebone-dragster-guitar-wireless-load-correction-device

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 10:50 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
Guys, I wonder if a Radial Tonebone Dragster might help alleviate the Mustang's problems with high output pickups.
- http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/radial-engineering-tonebone-dragster-guitar-wireless-load-correction-device

O.


Hi,
in the original web site http://www.radialeng.com, there is the little owner's manual (or sheet) ..
http://www.radialeng.com/pdfs/smartsheet-dragster.pdf
they tell that it can be use whenever a guitar is connected to a buffered input and for example when you go into digital effects (there is the drawing of a line6 Pod) before a real amp..
it is even all passive.. it doesn't need power.

Perhaps It could work also with digital amps on Mustang.. as they're pratically digital effects..
the best thing would be if someone of you that lives in the USA was able to find it in a shop and try it before buy.. (or get it on-line with the possibility to return it taking account of a (small) loss of the cost of re Shipping of course..)

i can write an email to technicians of Radialeng and ask for their expert opinion about our specific problems ..

Dimitri

edit: as said in other post , i'm waiting the answer of technician of Radialeng about tonebone dragster..


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 4:43 pm
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HI Orcatraz,

here's the answer from Radialeng about the Tonebone Dragster:

Hi Dimitri,
The problem with your Fender amp (my guess) would be the dynamic range is limited at the input before the analog to digital converter. So reducing the output solves the problem. Although the Dragster may help tame the tone, it is difficult to confirm that it would fix the problem. It is more likely an issue where you have to reduce the level going into the guitar amp to ensure it is not overloaded.

Thank you for thinking of Radial!

Peter


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:14 am
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Hi woolyninja,

We will be happy to assist. Thanks for providing us with your sound clip. After reviewing the sound clip, it sounds like you might be sitting close to a screen or possibly have your Fender® Mustang™ amplifier plugged into a on grounded outlet. Have you tried switching outlets in your home? We tried reproducing the behavior here using, a 7-String Jackson with EMG 707 pickups along with the American '90s amp modelling, without success. If you haven't already returned your amp, could you please provide us with some reproduction steps so we can see if we can assist further. Thanks and keep us posted.

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:13 am
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quick update on this to the OP. Are you plugging the amp straight into the wall? Or do you have a surge protector? I had a really really old surge protector so I bought a new one today and while im not positive I think it may have fixed this issue for me. I only got to test it out for like 10 minutes today on a few channels but from what I could tell it cleaned up the sound A LOT. Let me know if this helps at all. Mine was cheap like $14 bucks from target its just a basic 6 plug from GE, 1080 joule rating with led surge and ground confirmation.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:48 am
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good advice about the surge protector.
I use a power bar with surge protector built in (the 10 dollar kind) and for some mysterious black-magic reason, if the power bar sits on its side, the mustang makes a continuous high volume input noise as if I attached my guitar to a washer machine, but if the power bar sits on it's bottom, no noise at all...

So my suggestion would be, when in doubt, try connecting the mustang directly to the power outlet (at least for testing) to rule out a crazy surge protector


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:30 pm
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I had a Mustang II v1 - sold it. It had Fizz as best I could tell. It didn't quite sound like your recording though. It was more like the sound wave breaking up as it faded out. Like picking a clean note but after it rings for few seconds you apply distortion. Sorry, that's probably not much help.

I read here that the Gain on some of the presets was so high that that could be the culprit. I could reduce the Fizz on some presets by tweaking the Gain, but it never went away. I don't plan to buy a modeling amp any time soon, I know that.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 3:38 am
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Hi,
it is true. Common cheap power strips with surge/spikes protectors can worst the sound.
you know..
here in Italy there is a little company that produces a complete series of current filters for high-end audio equipments.. they are the (famous in high-fidelity) "Black Noise" power strips..
there is a black noise model for digital sources as cd player, dvd, Sacd .. and you can power a device until nominal power consumption of 230 Watt ..
it is the "Extreme" model and i power my cd player and tape deck (used just as preamp for mp3/video player) with it; In more indirectly it helps to clean the current of the electrical outlet (where is connected directly the integrated amp) next to the one which is connected to the filter.
then for greater nominal power equipments there are available proper models a little bit less refined for what regards the effects on quality/purity of sound and the effectiveness of cleaning of unwanted harmonics in a range over the audible frequencies , but they are the same effective and "magic" to clean up dirty alternate currents (for example caused by industrial machinery nearby).. the typical use would be for integrated audio amp and up to powerful audio power amp.. from 500 watt to 2500 watt.

This filter almost makes miracles if you love high fidelity and live close to industrial area like me.. you can power also a guitar amp (with Extreme just to moderate master volume settings) but if the noise is generated in the equipment or in the guitar amp , the clean current won't solve the problem: you're feeding with first quality food (clean current) an amplifier with congenital anomaly but in reality he needs to be healed or fixed.

Moreover these are high grade and unfortunately expensive filters (some hundreds of Eur ) .. even though they don't have the drawback, common to other even high quality power surge protectors - filters or active condictioners that usually tend to flatten the dynamics or worst to weaken the bass frequencies.
here's the web site (english version) : http://www.systemsandmagic.com/index_file/azienda_en.htm


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