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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 12:45 pm
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give the speaker some time to break in, I had the exact same problem when I first pulled mine out of the box yesterday and within an hour or two it was completely gone. Same amp playing on an epi les paul standard.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:17 pm
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I'm definitely going to give it a few more days. I'll update tomorrow on what's going on.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 9:18 pm
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8) mine keeps sounding better and better im only about 6 hours in.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:25 am
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Hi,
to do the burn in of a speaker usually it would takes from 80 to 100 hours of normal listening level ... i'm talking about Hi-fi loudspeakers.. i don't know if in the case of an instrument amp speaker is different and you need just few hours of playing..

when i tried the Mustang 3 V.2 just out of the box at guitar shop with a Fender Strat Gilmour signature it seemed even doesn't show that behaviour of additional modulation on driven tones..
but if it is a behaviour due to the emulation software, and surely it is, it comes out fully as soon as the speaker and other mechanical/electric parts are completing their burn in time..


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:00 am
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Hi frondizi,

It may be logical to speculate that this is the same same phenomenon that you are experiencing, but then again, it could be something different. If its the same, then you should be able to reproduce it on your amp. So I was curious if you get that noise when you do palm muting?


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:02 am
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woolyninja wrote:
I love the Mustang III with all its options however I'm getting a really strange sound out of it, especially when palm-muting with distortion. It's hard to explain so I made a sound clip of it.

clip: https://soundcloud.com/woolyninja/fende ... ii-v2-with

When I strike the strings it sounds a little weird and then there's a bit of electronic-y static afterwards.

Is this normal for this amp? I've been playing for a few years and never really notice any of this before. Any ideas?

EDIT: I'd like to add that this is at a very low volume just below 2.


How did you record that clip, woolyninja, via USB or microphone? It sounds like the Gain and Volume are maxed out and is distorting the D/A converter. Have you tried turning down the preset volume and the amp's master volume up? What are your gain and volume settings and which amp model are you using for that clip?

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:58 pm
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It was recorded by microphone. You could be right. It might just be a matter of trying to send too much into the amp. Problem is I like high gain, high volume sometimes and so I came to the conclusion today that this amp just might not be for me.

Thanks for any help/suggestions/discussion you all have given but I'm sadly going to return the amp.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 7:44 pm
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Hi,
Fender is aware of this kind of situation regarding high power input and the related artifacts, but for some reason they do not want to correct it right now.

See this the final Fender comments on this thread for more details:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85759

'We value your feedback and input regarding the described behavior on the Fender® Mustang™ (V.2) amplifiers. It has been decided that we will not be making any changes to the Mustang™ (V.2) firmware based upon the behavior described in this forum post. '


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 9:16 pm
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woolyninja wrote:
It was recorded by microphone. You could be right. It might just be a matter of trying to send too much into the amp. Problem is I like high gain, high volume sometimes and so I came to the conclusion today that this amp just might not be for me.

Thanks for any help/suggestions/discussion you all have given but I'm sadly going to return the amp.


Hang on, now. You should realize that if you just want high gain and high volume you can still get that out of the amp without slammin' the D/A converter with a cranked preset volume. You're treating this amp like it was a tube amp and you just can't do that to any modeling a unit. The MIII has more than enough power to get really freakin' loud but you're not going to get anymore out of it by cranking up the preset volume. You just have to learn to use the thing properly - just like you have to learn how to use a tube amp properly. In the MIII's case instead of turning up the preset volume, turn up the Master Volume. That's what controls the amp's overall output.

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 10:33 pm
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Sorry, the volume level I was speaking of was on the guitar. The only way to make the sound on the MIII sound like I'd expect was to lower the volume on the guitar or lower the gain on the amp. Lowering the volume levels on the amp pretty much did nothing to make this issue go away.


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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 11:13 pm
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woolyninja wrote:
It was recorded by microphone. You could be right. It might just be a matter of trying to send too much into the amp. Problem is I like high gain, high volume sometimes and so I came to the conclusion today that this amp just might not be for me.

Thanks for any help/suggestions/discussion you all have given but I'm sadly going to return the amp.


You say you like high gain, and that you get this sound when going for a high gain sound, but the clip you posted was of an almost painfully undriven tone, with what sounds like compression.

How does the amp sound with the high gain amp models (Supersonic especially)? Are you trying to get "high gain" sounds by using a clean amp model and then slamming the input, like you could a real tube amp?

If you like gain, try the Supersonic. With the multiple gain stages, it has more gain on tap than most people can use. If that's not enough, through one of the overdrive effects in it.

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:49 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
Hang on, now. You should realize that if you just want high gain and high volume you can still get that out of the amp without slammin' the D/A converter with a cranked preset volume. You're treating this amp like it was a tube amp and you just can't do that to any modeling a unit. The MIII has more than enough power to get really freakin' loud but you're not going to get anymore out of it by cranking up the preset volume. You just have to learn to use the thing properly - just like you have to learn how to use a tube amp properly. In the MIII's case instead of turning up the preset volume, turn up the Master Volume. That's what controls the amp's overall output.

O.



Reducing my preset helped solve the issue as well, I thought it was gone after a few hours of use but its still there and bad if I play with my guitar preset at a high level. It seems to only occur on certain presets (57' deluxe, 57' twin, 69' bassman off the top of my head ) but if i run my preset at 2 or 3 and just crank the master im good to go.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 7:45 pm
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irie wrote:
Orcatraz wrote:
Hang on, now. You should realize that if you just want high gain and high volume you can still get that out of the amp without slammin' the D/A converter with a cranked preset volume. You're treating this amp like it was a tube amp and you just can't do that to any modeling a unit. The MIII has more than enough power to get really freakin' loud but you're not going to get anymore out of it by cranking up the preset volume. You just have to learn to use the thing properly - just like you have to learn how to use a tube amp properly. In the MIII's case instead of turning up the preset volume, turn up the Master Volume. That's what controls the amp's overall output.

O.



Reducing my preset helped solve the issue as well, I thought it was gone after a few hours of use but its still there and bad if I play with my guitar preset at a high level. It seems to only occur on certain presets (57' deluxe, 57' twin, 69' bassman off the top of my head ) but if i run my preset at 2 or 3 and just crank the master im good to go.



yep, you are tottally right, take a look at this other trhread that explains the problem and the answer from Fender (you might not like it...)
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85759&start=30

I have found that the models most affected by saturation when using hot pickups are:
-Champ
-57 Deluxe
-65 Deluxe
-Bassman
-57 Twin
-70 British

The rest of the models work fine.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:29 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
woolyninja wrote:
It was recorded by microphone. You could be right. It might just be a matter of trying to send too much into the amp. Problem is I like high gain, high volume sometimes and so I came to the conclusion today that this amp just might not be for me.

Thanks for any help/suggestions/discussion you all have given but I'm sadly going to return the amp.


Hang on, now. You should realize that if you just want high gain and high volume you can still get that out of the amp without slammin' the D/A converter with a cranked preset volume. You're treating this amp like it was a tube amp and you just can't do that to any modeling a unit. The MIII has more than enough power to get really freakin' loud but you're not going to get anymore out of it by cranking up the preset volume. You just have to learn to use the thing properly - just like you have to learn how to use a tube amp properly. In the MIII's case instead of turning up the preset volume, turn up the Master Volume. That's what controls the amp's overall output.

O.


+1 there... I've noticed a lot of the preset downloads i've gotten from fuse have the Gain and preset volume maxed out. I'm not surprised folks are getting artifacts. I've been trying to start with a higher master volume and gain-staging accordingly and its been working out fine.

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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:38 am
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captainc wrote:
+1 there... I've noticed a lot of the preset downloads i've gotten from fuse have the Gain and preset volume maxed out. I'm not surprised folks are getting artifacts. I've been trying to start with a higher master volume and gain-staging accordingly and its been working out fine.


Depending on how hot your pickups are you do not need to increase gain by much to make it sound like that.
It gets worse with active pickups. My recommendation for people wanting to buy new mustangs would be to try it if possible with your guitar at the music store as you might not like the reduced possibilities if you have hot pickups.


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