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Post subject: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 12:39 pm
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I love the Mustang III with all its options however I'm getting a really strange sound out of it, especially when palm-muting with distortion. It's hard to explain so I made a sound clip of it.

clip: https://soundcloud.com/woolyninja/fende ... ii-v2-with

When I strike the strings it sounds a little weird and then there's a bit of electronic-y static afterwards.

Is this normal for this amp? I've been playing for a few years and never really notice any of this before. Any ideas?

EDIT: I'd like to add that this is at a very low volume just below 2.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 1:45 pm
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Sounds like you got a case of the fizzies., I heard that same strange sound on another users soundcloud but his was a Mustang Version 1 amp and that sound was coming through on the tail end of his clean tones, the thread about that is somewhere here on the forum regarding the fizzy amps., Looks like the fizz has not been fixed with the V2 amps. I have a Mustang V V1 and so far I have been lucky. Mine is fizzless


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:11 pm
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Thinking about bringing the amp back. I love the customizations this thing has but if it's not going to sound decent there's no point in keeping it.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:42 pm
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see if you can exchange it at the store you bought it from, I haven't heard many people complaining about the fizz on the V2 series, I heard alot of complaints about the V1 series, but my V1 so far has been good to me, maybe you just got a dud. see if you can exchange it and get one that works right, These mustang amps are a great value on account of how much you get built in to the amp, all the amp models and effects, and these amps sound great, hopefully you will be able to get the store to exchange it,


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:51 pm
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I'm going to bring it in and also bring my guitar with and make sure its not some environmental static in my home. Hoping it does it in store too.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:53 pm
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Hi woolyninja,
can you tell us what amp model , distortion and settings of them create this modulation sound?
because there is already a post of 1/2 weeks ago that i started together with Jedi2b..
we discovered that most emulations in Mustang III V.2 (but also Mustang Floor, Mustang V.1..) are affected by a unwanted modulation (how i named those phenomena) ..
that means when the digital preamp section receives an input level higher than a certain threshold , the software is virtually unable to properly manage that level of signal so it goes in overdrive but also occurs a phaser-like modulation , buzzing sound etcetera..
the more is the input signal (active pickup, od / fuzz pedal models or real external pedals.. ) the more is the addictional modulation that you can hear expecially in low notes and sustained notes of course..
in a second stage of this phenomenon and with even higher levels (fuzz pedal all the way up or normal level pedal and amp with gain all the way up.. ) occurs a kind of slow tremolo-like modulation so the signal volume goes up and down waving or undulating... until the level goes down under a certain threshold ...

if you want read about it , the post is : http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85759

If your problem is similar , there is nothing wrong or broken with your amp for what regards the hardware parts..
the problem i'm talking about is a simple software problem.. is a digital clipping of the signal that doesn't allow to do emulations of all condictions of the real amp models.. so they can't react like real things when are under very high input levels to preamp section.. for example the typical David Gilmour early setting with a Fuzz (face arbiter) pedal with gain all the way up and level about 7 (could be also a Big Muff fuzz with slightly lower settings) .. and a clean channel of the HiWatt stack amp..
but there are many examples with lower gain levels involved..

Fender tested some settings we suggested, to understand what we was talking about and is aware about this limitation of their software .. the solution could be add a limiter of the input signal so it can prevent the digital hard clipping that cause all these problems..
but have closed the speech by saying outright that they will not do firmware updates based on the behaviors discussed in the post ..
also said that the limiters of signal or even the automatic gain controller as far as interesting suggestions, have some drawbacks ...
and .. "maybe" in a new version in the future could be fixed but there is not assurance that they will it ...
in my opinion, they have spoken all too clear .. how do you say... a word to the wise!
here are two things: either they do not really want to spend time and energy to study a solution to satisfy us the customers, or they do not really know which way to turn.

and frankly this is all pretty disappointing.. :(

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 5:33 pm
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wow, I never thought about digital clipping being the cause, that makes sense though, I haven't had problems with my V1 mustang V, and I'm pushing a set of DiMarzio D-Activator X into it, I have coil split and phase reverse switching on my guitar, makes for a whole lot of tones on just one preset,


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 6:11 pm
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They switched out my amp but I'm still noticing the same issue.

@frondizi - I am using a Gibson SG Standard (standard humbucker pickups) and a Schecter Damien Solo Elite (EMG81/85 pickups). I get the same noise found in the sound clip by simply using the default American 90's amp setting with no stompboxes, etc.

I'll try to make another clip tonight with a note held for longer to see if its the same issue.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:18 pm
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Well that is definitely not the fizz. I have plenty o' v.1 fizz, and that ain't it. So I guess that's the good news for you v.2 owners.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 8:32 pm
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I'm wondering if anyone else is using a Gibson SG with a v2 Mustang? If so, are you having the same issue or is it sounding great for you?


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:14 pm
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I have Epiphone SG With DiMarzio D'Activator X pickups, The DiMarzio's I have are much higher output than stock Gibson pickups. and I have no problems ,But I am using V1 amp. Try a couple different guitars., or try a different guitar cable, that way you can narrow it down to find out if it is the fault of the amp or a problem with the guitar and cable,


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:45 pm
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I've tried it on both of my guitars (the gibson and the schecter) and with different cables - all the same. I can't think of anything else to try but I am open to any suggestions as besides this issue this amp has everything I was looking for.


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Posted: Fri May 17, 2013 9:57 pm
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I'm not sure what else I could suggest at this point, I am an amateur when it comes to electronics, I know quite a bit but still I have much to learn, I would suggest taking it back again, but this time bring your both of your guitars to the store to test the exchange amp before you take it home, If that doesn't work try to email or telephone fender support and see if they can help you. if all else fails get a Fender Mustang Floor and run it into another amp to get all the great sounds found on a Mustang,


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:53 am
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You don't sit to close to a computer? I always got fizz if I play too close to my computer, both, both from the mustang and from guitar rig if I connect the guitar to the DI of my soundcard.


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Post subject: Re: Strange sounds with Mustang III v2
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 7:19 am
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woolyninja wrote:
I've tried it on both of my guitars (the gibson and the schecter) and with different cables - all the same. I can't think of anything else to try but I am open to any suggestions as besides this issue this amp has everything I was looking for.


Hi,
the phenomena i was talking about occour with the humbuckers Alnico 5 (a little more powerful than PAF gibson) even splitted to single coils... of my Yamaha SG 800 (you know.. that kind of Les Paul with double cutaway) , and also with Roland emulation of some guitar model (from GR55 pedalboard) for example vintage Fender Strat ...

with active pickup you don't need to add overdrives/fuzz pedal (virtual or real) to get additional , extraneous modulation.. the level is already enough high to exceed that threshold..

Dimitri


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