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Post subject: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1) ?
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 2:30 pm
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Hi all,

I own a Fender Mustang III which I really enjoy for playing at home especially for playing with backing tracks (mp3 as input on the AUX input) and I also like to change settings quickly (that is the reason to use the 4 button footswitch).

Sometimes I am doubting to buy a mustang floor to combine it with the mustang III. But I wonder does this make sense ?

PROs
1) gain flexibility in switching presets
2) 20 banks of 5 presets available
3) easy enabling/disabling effecgs
4) volume/FX pedal avaiable

CONs
1) What strange combination of sounds will you get if you use the output of the floor as input of the Mustang III? In fact you are setting 2 amps in series. Will the output sound of the floor not be disturbed by the sound of the Mustang combo?
2) Will I really benefit from this combination of foot switch and Mustang III or is it not worth the money?
3) Can I still use the backing tracks? Do I need to plug them in the floor amp or in the combo?

What do you think? Any advice?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Wed May 15, 2013 3:46 pm
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Yes you can use the M-Floor with your M-III, but you're right to be concerned about the double-modelling creating undesirable sounds.

What most people seem to do in this situation is connect the guitar to the M-Floor input, then the M-Floor output to the fx-return of the M-III.

That is, you are using the M-Floor for all modelling and effects - with all the benefits you cite of easier switching of presets, effects, etc. The M-III is then just being used as a power-amp and speaker, you don't use any of it's modelling or effects.

Finally, yes you can still play backing tracks in exactly the same way - connect to the aux-in of the M-III.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 11:12 am
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Thanks for the answer but :
- does it mean you bypass the selected amp on the M3? So if I select a bassman or a twin there that does not make any sense?
- does it mean that if I select a certain (fender fuse) preset on the floor amp this will be transfered to the MIII FX return and will sound exactly the same as it would have been set on the combo itself?
- so not only the effects but also the selected amp on the floor will be 'transfered' to the MIII?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:14 pm
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as a M3 AND MF owner, I can tell you that having both, to play in the same room as a modeler+modeler configuration, does not make much sense in itself. Both do pretty much the same thing. You can do some neat tricks but there are not really worth the extra money in itself.

In my case I use the M3 at home and the MF when on the road, connected to a PA.

NOW, if you need a very good guitar powered monitor for your MF, for the money and the current offerings on the market, I would buy a M3 just as a monitor (I mean, why buy a 300$ powered monitor if you can have a powered monitor PLUS a mustang for the same price, in the same box?)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 1:54 pm
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does it mean you bypass the selected amp on the M3?

Correct. With the connectivity I suggested earlier, you use the M3 solely as a neutral power amp. The preset (amp model, effects, etc) selected on the M3 is irrelevant. But see below for other connectivity options that allow you to use the M3 amp model in conjunction with the M-Floor effects.

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does it mean that if I select a certain (fender fuse) preset on the floor amp this will be transfered to the MIII FX return

Yes. The M-Floor provides the amp model and the effects. I'm not sure 'transferred' is the right word, that implies some intelligent communication between the two devices. All that's happening is that the M-Floor is providing all the sound processing, and just sending the final sound to the M-3 for power-amp amplification. The M-3 has no knowledge of what settings exist on the M-Floor.

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and will sound exactly the same as it would have been set on the combo itself?

In theory yes. I don't know if the M-Floor output is identical to the M-3 output, but there should be very little difference, if any. The M-Floor has a few additional options that don't exist on the M-3, for example you can tell it what type of real amp you're connecting it to, and it will adjust the sound to balance with that type of amp. You could use those settings to tweak the exact sound you get from the M-Floor through your M-3.

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so not only the effects but also the selected amp on the floor will be 'transfered' to the MIII?

Yes.

The other way you could do this is use the M-Floor just as an effects box. Turn off the amp modelling entirely on the M-Floor, but set other effects as you want them. Then connect the M-Floor output to the M-3 input, and use the M-3's amp modelling.

The downside to this is that all the M-Floor effects will be before the amp model. You could add post-amp-model effects using the M-3.

A further variation on this is to put the M-Floor in the M-3's fx loop: ie connect guitar to M-3 input, connect M-3 fx-send to M-Floor input, connect M-Floor output to M-3 fx-return. Now, you can use the pre- effects and modelling of the M-3, and use the M-Floor to control all your post- effects. (You could also use M-3 post-effects, etc).

And another way of connecting the two is the "4-cable method" (4CM). Connect guitar to M-Floor input; M-Floor fx-send to M-3 input; M-3 fx-send to M-Floor fx-return; M-Floor output to M-3 fx-return. This lets you switch the M-3's DSP (amp modelling, effects) in and out using the M-Floor controls, so you can mix-and-match which elements are coming from which device. It's not a fully-flexible 4CM as you can't vary the fx-loop's position in the M-Floor signal chain, but it gives some interesting options.

I'm sure there are other connectivity permutations. Just remember that each device works independently, neither knows what the other's effects and settings are. Work out what effects and amp models, etc, you want in your signal chain, and in what order, and what things you want to most easily be able to switch in/out, etc. Then you can choose what way of connecting the two devices best gives you the settings and control you need.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Thu May 16, 2013 2:50 pm
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Thanks for the clear and extensive anwer Scott-uk, 2 out of 3 worries are taken away now.... and yes maybe it is a little overkill to also buy a MF but the benefits as written in my first message (with all the typos) are still worth to consider.... and even more now after your response.

And yes... the word 'transfer' was probably not the correct word (because of my imperfect english)but at least you understand what I meant.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2013 3:45 am
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I think it should work fine the way I want, because I realised I also have a line 6 pocketpod which I connected to the FX return (I never used the FX loop before) and the sound in the combo is not bad at alle and independent of the amp settings of the Mustang III.

I think buying the Mustang floor is worth the money now for the gaols I want...


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:22 pm
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I just bought it and I tried already a little. I think it fits to my requirements. Nice playing tool/toy for the coming weekend. I love it already! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 9:21 am
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Hi rullyrulez,

We will be happy to assist. It seems that scott-uk has giving you some great advise, thanks again Scott. Please let us know if you have any further questions.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:50 am
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well, I have a Mustang IV and M-Floor. So you recommend to put my guitar in the M-Floor's input and the output to the MIV Fx Returns? and that will "bypassing" the modelling of the MIV? ie, the sound you hear is that which gives the M-Floor?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:04 am
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So you recommend to put my guitar in the M-Floor's input and the output to the MIV Fx Returns? and that will "bypassing" the modelling of the MIV? ie, the sound you hear is that which gives the M-Floor?

I'm not sure "recommend" is the right word. Yes what you propose is one way of doing it. There are at least three other valid ways to connect the two devices, as described in my earlier reply to this topic. The most appropriate one depends what aspects of each device you want to use.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 4:24 pm
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Hi menemo,

We will be happy to assist. scott-uk's suggestions are accurate, (thanks scott-uk) so it all depends on your application. By connecting your Fender® Mustang™ Floor's (Left or Right output) to your Fender® Mustang™ IV (V1) effects loop return, you will bypass all effects and amp modeling from your amp, basically using only the power amp from the Fender Mustang IV (V1). The Fender® Mustang™ IV (V2) does by default include the cabsim in the effects loop, which might not be desirable for this application. We have therefore created a new firmware build to reproduce the same signal path as for the Mustang V1 with a Mustang V2. With the new v.2.1 firmware build you should configure the FX Loop Position to Looper Pedal, under the Utilities section. When you configure the Fx Loop position it to Looper position, it will be technically the same as the Mustang V1 when the headphones are not connected, and if they are connected the Floor signal will show up in the USB and XLR's, which might be desirable. I have attached a link below explaining the signal flow for the Mustang III/V (V2). There are a few more configurations you can try, but please let us know if this is sufficient or if we can assist further.

Fender® Mustang™ III-V (V.2) Effects Loop Diagram
http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... fects+loop

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:27 am
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Thanks a lot Scott-uk and Fender TSL


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Floor in combination with Mustang III (v1
Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:33 pm
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Hi menemo,

You're welcome. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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