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Post subject: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:02 pm
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quick question
what will be louder?
100 watts m3 vs 150 watts stereo m5 ( 75 x 75 )
my logic thinks 100 watts, but who knows

thanks :)


also any idea when Long and Mcquade (in canada) will have the mustang V head and Cab v2 in stock?i have been waiting over a month now, paid, at first they said May 10th, now May 15th..


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:06 pm
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Supposing you want to drive your amp at top volume, which, if playing at home will get you evicted in record time, the difference in wattage from 100w to 150w will be barely discernible. To give you an idea, to get the double of "audible sensation", you should go from 100w to 1000w as the power scale is logarithmic.

In the other hand, having two speakers instead of one makes a LOT of difference and sounds much better IMO. You get more air movement and more spatial sense.


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:20 pm
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i know that you need to x10 the wattage to double the volume or 6 decibles, but i have been running tube amps 30-60 watts my entire life.

once i used the Fender stage 1000 dsp 100 watts rms, i dont know if it was busted or not
but i had to set the volume nearly to max to cut through the mix , and it sounded like absolute S*** at near max volume. At the same time my tube amps were running around 30-60% volumes without breaking a sweat and plenty loud (fender deville 4x10, peavey classic 30, traynor special custom 50 "50 watts" )

my style is mainly rock/ hard rock ( pearl jam, zeppelin to give you an idea of the type of drummers)

i have a feeling that the fender stage 1000 was busted

anyways just hoping i wont run into that issue with the mustang V with 4x12 version2


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:46 pm
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The reason the other solid state sounded bad was because it was distorting.
Distortion + solid state = bad bad bad

The reason your tube amps sound loud is because they are distorting.
Distortion + tubes = good good good

Because of the harmonic content, a distorted signal sounds louder than a clean signal. So, yes, a tube amp running at 30 watts with some distortion will sound more powerful than a basic solid state 100watts amps not distorting (because you will lower the volume to avoid it to distor as it will sound bad)

The solid state power amp in the mustangs has a pretty low harmonic distortion level, even running at full power, so you should be able to cranck it pretty lound without the problems you had with your solid state.

In the other hand it does emulate the tube distortion quite convincingly and accordingly sounds as loud as a tube amp (depending on the amp emulation you chose, for example twin 65 will distort less, so it will sound not as loud as, for example, the deluxe 65 which distorts way more)


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Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:01 pm
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i know how solid state and tube amp works, clipping (solid state) vs saturation/distortion (tube) when driven hard

but not every amp is built the same

i had a 80 watts rms peavey bandit 112 that blew my fender stage 1000 out volume wise .it's not always just about "watts". last year i had a hughes and kettner tube edition 25 20 watts class A which could not hold it's own against my friends 18 watt hughes and kettner tubemeister 18 running through a 1x12

a lot more factor in than just "watts"


i guess it's more of a question of, can the mustang 5 at 75+75 stereo RMS keep up with loud drummers, and second guitarist without pushing the rig , while keeping it's tonal quality ( the reason i am asking this , is because i know when you push solid states , to near max volume they start to thin out, clip, loose tonal quality, tend to get very bright etc) and i don't want to be pushing the amp 75%+ on the master volume

don't worry i always have plugs when i play ( i value my ears)

when it comes to wattage, i just don't trust the measurement anymore
i like to hear peoples experiences with the amps, test it out etc

the reason i was asking mustang 3 vs 5 is because the power amps section and transformers are most likely different.. i was just wondering if anyone with experience had ever a/b'd them etc specifically in jam/live situations


i have spent the last month researching just about every single forum that exist on this subject on these specific amps . i found lots of input on the mustang 3 but barely any on the 5 when it comes to volume in a live situation (20 pages of youtube, and 50 pages/links on google)

most comments are just simply "wow it's loud" or "this thing is a beast" but very vague, and limited setup description (band settings etc)

this is why i'm posting this


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 11:22 pm
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The Mustang 5 is more than adequate, I have never had to turn mine up past 5 on the volume and I would not want to, anything past 5 on the Master Volume with my Mustang 5 is ear splitting and just way too loud, The Mustang 5 can definitely hold it's own in a live situation,


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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 2:03 am
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I tried both the Mustang III V.2 (100w) and the IV V.2 (75+75w) and found the III to seem louder at the same volume setting.
The IV sounded better to my ears though so I ended up buying it.

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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 5:00 am
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"The Mustang 5 is more than adequate, I have never had to turn mine up past 5 on the volume and I would not want to, anything past 5 on the Master Volume with my Mustang 5 is ear splitting and just way too loud, The Mustang 5 can definitely hold it's own in a live situation"


thanks, thats what i wanted to hear, you use is in a band setup etc? i'm guessing yes.


and as for the 3 being louder than the 4 & 5. thats what i thought but thanks for confirming this


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:11 am
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I think every guitar player should read this. It's 13 years old but most of it still holds true. I say most because of what Fender has achieved with the Mustangs. Pay special attention to the part about power tube distortion.
http://www.guitarnuts.com/amps/myths.php

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Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:45 am
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i definitely agree with that arcticle ( i have read it a few years ago :) )
i was unfortunate enough to learn the hard way and waste a bunch of $$$ over the last 20 years of playing

one thing to note though that i see a common mistake

20 watts (a) is not always equal to 20 watts (b)
in ""perceived volume"" , wether its solide state or tube


i used to be a bit of a tube snob, but obviously not anymore :P


i remember when the gdec first came out i was wishing, man i wish they made this into a larger format, it was the best sounding solide state i had ever played!. fast foward a few years voila "le Mustang" haha i just never realized it until recently playing through my friends mustang 3


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 12:01 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
I think every guitar player should read this. It's 13 years old but most of it still holds true. I say most because of what Fender has achieved with the Mustangs. Pay special attention to the part about power tube distortion.
http://www.guitarnuts.com/amps/myths.php

O



very good summary in that article. In the other hand I perversely enjoy the "my watts are bigger than your watts" debates that appear from time to time :mrgreen:

anyway, taken from the article and true now more than ever:
"The lesson here, once again, is to select amplifiers based on features, not on power level."
Amen to that, and welcome to Mustang-land :)

The only reason I bought a M3 instead of a M2 is because of the upgraded speaker, and FX-loop and no need to connect to a computer.


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Post subject: Re: 100 watts vs 150 watts stereo
Posted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:09 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
In the other hand I perversely enjoy the "my watts are bigger than your watts" debates that appear from time to time :mrgreen:



Now that's entertainment. :twisted:

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