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Post subject: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:39 am
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I cannot find anywhere in the literature that tells me that the input jack on the Mustang V head is a TRS plug. Logic says it has to be in order for the amp to be true stereo, but I just want to confirm that before I buy. Also, I want to run it, if it is stereo, through two of the Super Champ 112 cabs. Has anyone tried this setup? Does it work? Any advice is appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:56 am
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The GUITAR input jack is a mono input jack. HOWEVER, everything after that point is stereo. The effects allow for stereo output (stereo tape delay, blah blah), the FX Loop has 4 jacks, a Left/Right Send and a Left/Right Return. There are two speaker outputs, a left and a right side, both of which push 75 watts each for a total of 150 watts of power.

As for the Super Champ cabinets, as long as the speakers are at a miminum of 8Ω each, you should be good. I run my head through the Mustang V412 speaker cabinet in stereo and it works great. The Rocket 50s have a very neutral frequency curve compared to a lot of other guitar speakers which really lets the built-in cabinet simulators do their job well. And that for only $300. It's not bad.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sat May 04, 2013 3:55 pm
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Two things:
1) so the fact that I have a stereo output guitar is not going to gain me a thing? The Ric 360, when using the Ric-O-Sound plug, sends the neck pickup left and the bridge pickup right. It sounds like I will lose that separation through the Mustang head. I can achieve stereo by splitting and running thru two amps. Problem is, I am old and don't want to carry two amps with me. Too much hassle. I wanted to run through a stereo amp with two small cabs.
2) the SC112 cabs are rated at 80 watts at 8 ohms. They are the only 8 ohm cabs I could find and, since they are Fender, would make a nice looking rig.

I am really disappointed that this is not what I expected. If the input is NOT stereo, then what is the purpose of calling the output stereo? Seems to me it's just a split mono output. There's nothing stereo about it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 3:50 am
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what is the purpose of calling the output stereo?

Some of the effects inside the Mustang create a stereo signal - that is, they create separate sounds on the left and right output channels.

An obvious example is the ping-pong delay: the delayed 'echoes' alternate between the left and right channels. The stereo chorus is another effect with a discernible, if more subtle, genuine stereo output.

There are very few amps that have genuine end-to-end stereo - that's effectively two completely separate amps in one box.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 4:01 am
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The guitar cable is always mono. But the amp and the effects especially reverb, delay and stuff, are in stereo to make a wider sound.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:18 am
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There have been stereo amps out there for years. I have never played thru one, so I guess I didn't realize that they do NOT have a stereo input. I assumed they were made for the stereo guitars that are available. That the "guitar cable is always mono" is incorrect. In fact, my Variax guitar won't play without a stereo guitar cable. The Ric has two plugs, one for mono, the other, a dedicated stereo. I am looking for an amp that will give the same stereo output that my guitar is capable of producing. I thought the Mustang might be it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 12:01 pm
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I've played through many stereo guitar amps in my time, and none have had stereo inputs. Can't think of one offhand which does! :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:14 am
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I guess I just have to admit that I did not realize "stereo" guitar amps were not really stereo. I had assumed that if you had a stereo guitar and a stereo amp, then you would be playing in true stereo, with the same separation coming out as what went in. I never considered its being a simulated "stereo effect". Live and learn. The worst part is, this new information blows my excuse for buying a new amp. :(


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Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:25 am
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this new information blows my excuse for buying a new amp

Surely this new information is your justification for buying TWO new amps? :D


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 6:28 pm
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What I think is funny is that ANYONE has the notion that a guitar is stereo...even if it has a "stereo output." There are only 6 strings and the sound is ALWAYS picked up from the same place - hence MONO. All stereo, at that point, would only be from some kind of effect, like a phaser or a reverb or delay. Choosing not to buy a guitar amplifier because the input is not stereo....that's like refusing to buy a car because it only has one steering wheel. Really? You turn that wheel and you get two slightly different movements on your front wheels. (Don't believe me? Go research it for yourself).

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 5:52 am
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Your response is a bit combative, FX. I didn't come here to argue what is stereo. But I will. My guitar will send the neck pickup to far stage right. It sends the bridge pickup to far stage left. They don't sound alike even though they come from one source. Isn't that why they put more than one pickup? That is stereo, no matter how many strings I have. To send both pickups left and both pickups right, change one side's effect, and call that stereo is wrong. It is simulated stereo. Granted I am splitting hairs here, but all I came here for was to find one amp that will reproduce what I am playing without the need for two amps and a splitter. If the Mustang had a TRS input, it would do exactly that.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:18 am
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You are right in a sense, since a stereo mic picks up one sound source in two seperate locations from the sound origin, so does the two seperate pickups on your guitar detect one string movement in two seperate locations. Thus sending two slighly altered signals along two individual cables. It may not create a stereo effect as such, since they will only have an amplitide difference across the frequency spectrum (unless of-course the pickups are wired out of phase to each other), but I would say that is still stereo.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:10 am
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Back on topic, I think this is what you want:
http://www2.gibson.com/News-Lifestyle/F ... -0120.aspx

(if I'm allowed to mention the 'g' word on a Fender forum!). It seems this sort of thing was popular for a time but went out of favour due to limited demand / high production cost.

To resolve the 'is it stereo' question, personally I think it better to call the guitar "dual output" - it isn't of itself stereo in the true sense of the word (a sound recorded on two channels to recreate 3D spacial sense), but the dual signals can be used in a stereo setting, if that's what's wanted. Alternatively, the two signals could be processed separately (eg add fuzz just to one) then re-merged back to a single signal.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:11 am
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And here's a solution to the original request/problem:

One idea for making use of the dual-outputs from the guitar, in a strictly left/right channel configuration, without having to buy two amps, and basing the solution on the Fender Mustang, could be this:

- buy the M-V head, and an M-Floor, and whatever speakers are wanted.
- using a suitable splitter cable (eg TRS to 2 x TS), connect one output of the guitar to the M-V input, and the other guitar output to the M-Floor input.
- Program whatever effects, etc, are wanted for each half of the guitar signal, on the M-V and M-Floor
- connect the left (or right) output of the M-Floor to the left (or right) fx return of the M-V

So one of the signals from the guitar goes through the M-Floor to the M-V power amp. The other guitar signal just goes through the M-V as normal.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang V.2 Head Stereo?
Posted: Wed May 08, 2013 8:12 am
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Scott-UK, that hits the nail on the head. The key info in that description of the "other brand" amp is where it says the amp is "designed to reproduce a stereo input signal rather than produce a stereo-like effect". That is what I was hoping for in the Mustang head. It is also why I was confused that the Mustang is touted as a stereo amp but does not accept a stereo input signal. Granted, a normal guitar through a stereo-like amp may sound awesome. And maybe the human ear can't even detect the difference. But that was not my point. I just wanted to reproduce what my guitar is capable of creating. Thanks.


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