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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:10 am
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I also wanted some toy to play with in front of my mustang i v1 and i ended up with a Zoom multistomp. Not perfect but really good if you want to cover a lot of ground.

The TS/greenbox emulation is really close. Compare to the standard V1 overdrive you have a small different low end and a lot more high and, if you need it...

The Metal emulation can move any Fender Clean to Trash metal Rythm. This is really good since you can use the tones from the Mustang to control how the tone mix with the backtrack/band/mixer...

The big muff acts very well with the wah...

The autowah in the zoom works also better for me.

That sayd i spent a lot of time with the amp without the zoom and i'm still pretty happy!

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:06 pm
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mordor74 wrote:
I also wanted some toy to play with in front of my mustang i v1 ...

...The Metal emulation can move any Fender Clean to Trash metal Rythm. This is really good since you can use the tones from the Mustang to control how the tone mix with the backtrack/band/mixer...


That sayd i spent a lot of time with the amp without the zoom and i'm still pretty happy!


Hi,
the Metal emulation ? do you mean in Zoom pedalboard? ( in my Roland GR55 there is also at least one metal model ,Boss metal zone surely..)

So, sometimes i use "pedals" in front of M3 V.2:
Think that to get a nice Santana '70 tone i recently discovered by chance, i can use the Mustang(3 v.2) American '90 with gain at minimum and volume at high level (and other tweeking in the tones) and boost it with external "Boogie Lead" amp model in Gr55 (cab sim OFF) used as overdrive stompbox with all flexibility of its preamp tones knobs to shape the tone.
Paradoxally a Boogie preamp that boosts another mesa amp (more modern) .. but it works well..


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 12:49 am
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To get the santana tone with the Mustang alone try to start from one of thoose:

https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... alducci-v4

https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... -insane-v2

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:51 am
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I use a Zoom G3X with my Mustang III and love it.


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:19 pm
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Tried today with a AMT B-1, those preamp-pedals are supposed to be pluged into the FX-return.

They are suppose to sound like this:


My lacks bass completely and when level is turned to more than 3 the mustang starts to pump up and down in volume :(

I have a Fender Mustang V v.2 and my guitar pickups are EMG81+85, I tried with looper-settings on "Normal" och "Loop-Pedal", I also tried put the preamp-pedal between the send and return and plug in the guitar in the mustang-input, it didn't work out too good either. The best option right now is to put it between the guitar and the input with the amp model "studio preamp".

I saw an "empty"-preset on the Fuse-site but it didnt work with v2.

Do anyone have any solution? Have you tried using preamps to the mustang? :oops: Don't wanna give up already..


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:34 pm
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I would say that pumping volume indicates input saturation---the output of your pedal is to hot for the input you selected.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:52 am
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PajFender wrote:
I would say that pumping volume indicates input saturation---the output of your pedal is to hot for the input you selected.

Paj
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Yeah, that I already understood. However I solved this problem this way:
I connected the pedal to the mustang guitar-input and dialed the pedal volume really low (about 2-2,5/10), dialed in the "Studio Preamp" lowered the volume and gain from 10 (on the mustang!) until it stopped pumping (with bass to max on the pedal), it seems to run fine now. It sounds better than the built in metal-amps in the mustang :) scratchier, fuzzier (but still sharper) and more open :) now I have another metal-channel on my mustang :)


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:40 am
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Hwasser:

I just reread your original post and:

(1) Going into the M3 input->EFX Send->AMT->EFX Return should result in an unpredictable sound either because you're sending a preamped signal into the AMT preamp or there is a likely impedence match (The AMT is probably set for a guitar output signal level/impedence).

(2) Using the AMT as a pedal effect is certainly an option.
Guitar->AMT->M3 input
You generally know that this is less than ideal when pickup selection changes and tone knob adjustments don't work as distinctively as they did before

(3) Another tactic would be to use an A/B box and a variation of the "4-cable method":

Guitar->A/B Box---A-out->M3 Input
______________---B-out->AMT->M3 Efx Return
This method will probably also require that you have a Y-adapter (1Male-2Female) on the M3 Efx Return, and run a jumper from the M3 Exf Send to the M3 Efx Return in addition to the B-out return mentioned above. More complicated, but it will allow you to use the M3 front end and the AMT output as designed or, at least, with better signal level/impedence matches. You'll also have to fool around and find out what M3 EFX loop setting works best (I'd suspect the "Looper" setting).

Just some thoughts . . .

Paj
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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:02 pm
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PajFender wrote:
Hwasser:

(3) Another tactic would be to use an A/B box and a variation of the "4-cable method":

Guitar->A/B Box---A-out->M3 Input
______________---B-out->M3 Efx Return
This method will probably also require that you have a Y-adapter (1Male-2Female) on the M3 Efx Return, and run a jumper from the M3 Exf Send to the M3 Efx Return in addition to the B-out return mentioned above. More complicated, but it will allow you to use the M3 front end and the AMT output as designed or, at least, with better signal level/impedence matches. You'll also have to fool around and find out what M3 EFX loop setting works best (I'd suspect the "Looper" setting).

Just some thoughts . . .

Paj


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Hi,
in my Roland GR55 i don't have send/return efx loop . .. the output available are : usb (also input) ; the stereo output jacks, left/mono and Right, and the guitar output jack. (also headphones jack).

i set the output sources for Guitar output as Real guitar + modelling tone, and from the mono/stereo output just synth sources (PCM 1 , PCM 2 or both)..
of course the following connection didn't work :

GR55 guitar output -> Mustang3 v2 g. input
GR55 L/mono output -> Mustang Return

the only signal that is amplified by Mustang is the synth sounds by final path of power amp + speaker. The guitar tones are muted.

i would like to amplify the guitar tones (real pickups and/or modelling instruments) by the "normal" Mustang path: pre amp effects, amp model , post amp effects ;
in the same time amplify the synth sounds by the power amp.. i think "looper path" setting is correct.

in my configuration the guitar signal is already divided into pedalboard , so i don't need an A/B box..
in fact it is possible also send guitar tones together Synth tones to mono/ stereo outputs and at the same time real guitar and/or modelling tone (or often neither ) can be directed also to guitar out to be amplified or processed in a different way (guitar amp for example) than synth tones.

what it is the way to use both guitar input and looper path in this case? i have to activate the Mustang Send /Return loop but i don't know exactly how to do that... or what audio adapters, cables i need ...


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:45 am
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Had more Amazon loot so picked up a Joyo Ultimate Drive. Played around with it for a bit last night. Really digging this cheap pedals thing. This is an OCD clone as I'm sure many are aware. My goal is to ditch fuse as much as i can and set my MII up with all clean patches and just use dirt stomps on the front end.

The reviews I read on this stomp was that it was a little too gainy and didn't work well for a mild OD. But either i got a good one or the reviews were based on using with an already driven amp. Mine sounds great. Borders on a transparent overdrive... but a touch more creamy. Real natural and bluesy. I had planned on a Blues Driver next but not anymore.

So now i have my fuzz, some OD. Guess its time to trade in the GT6 and get the next thing which is looking like the Turbo or You Dirty Rat... or something.

Clip light still would be great on the MII... right now I'm pushing it till it sounds like its tipping the A/D conversion, then backing it off.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:54 am
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fondizi,
Another variation of the "4-cable method":

G55 guitar output-->M3 Input
G55 Synth output-->M3 Efx Return
This method will probably also require that you have a Y-adapter* (1 TS Male--2 TS Female) on the M3 Efx Return, and run a jumper from the M3 Exf Send to the M3 Efx Return in addition to the G55 Synth output mentioned above. Complicated, but it will allow you to use the M3 front end for the G55 guitar output and the G55 synth output directly into the power amp. Again, you'll also have to fool around and find out what M3 EFX loop setting works best (I'd suspect the "Looper" setting).

*Something as simple as this RadioShack y-adapter:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2103712
. . . or this on eBay:
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-YPP111-inch- ... +y-adapter

For this application, you DON'T WANT the adapters with the TRS Male plug.

Paj
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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:43 am
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PajFender wrote:
fondizi,
Another variation of the "4-cable method":

G55 guitar output-->M3 Input
G55 Synth output-->M3 Efx Return
This method will probably also require that you have a Y-adapter* (1 TS Male--2 TS Female) on the M3 Efx Return, and run a jumper from the M3 Exf Send to the M3 Efx Return in addition to the G55 Synth output mentioned above. Complicated, but it will allow you to use the M3 front end for the G55 guitar output and the G55 synth output directly into the power amp. Again, you'll also have to fool around and find out what M3 EFX loop setting works best (I'd suspect the "Looper" setting).

*Something as simple as this RadioShack y-adapter:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index ... Id=2103712
. . . or this on eBay:
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-YPP111-inch- ... +y-adapter

For this application, you DON'T WANT the adapters with the TRS Male plug.

Paj
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Hi Paj,
thanks.
would not be better an adapter with the opposite configuration?
Like this: 1/4 inch TS FEMALE to Dual 1/4 inch TS MALE Y Cable - 6 Inch , so 1 mono Female to dual mono Male jacks ...

i don't know if it is available in 1 mono to dual mono version but dual mono to stereo version it is available even though is not right for our case. (http://www.amazon.com/HOSA-Stereo-4-Inch-Phone-Female/dp/B000068O5D/ref=pd_cp_MI_2)

So, i would connect the jack to jack cable from L/mono output (GR55) to mono Female adapter and then a mono Male jack into Send and the other mono Male jack into Return... no additional cable to do the bridge required... however i should have somewhere a short cable for stompboxes if it was necessary with the other kind of adaptor..

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 8:11 pm
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I do accomplish something similar using a mustang floor + M3. I do not have experience with the roland you mention but could be similar:

- guitar to instrument input on M floor
- from fx send on the floor (the signal is identical to the guitar input, no effects at this point) to instrument input on the M3
- finally, from m floor unbalanced output (which includes effects from the m floor), to the aux-in on the M3. The aux-in does not mute the M3 signal path but does a mix, which is what you are looking for I think

i does not get simpler than that, 2 inexpensive cables (that you surelly already have) and you are done


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:43 am
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jedi2b wrote:

- finally, from m floor unbalanced output (which includes effects from the m floor), to the aux-in on the M3. The aux-in does not mute the M3 signal path but does a mix, which is what you are looking for I think

i does not get simpler than that, 2 inexpensive cables (that you surelly already have) and you are done


Hi Jedi,
i have a Stereo 1/8 Inch to Dual RCA Adapter Cable but i have also 2 RCA To 1/4 Inch TS Adaptor , more or less like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-CMR206-Stereo-Adapter/dp/B000068O33/ref=sr_1_5?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1371806197&sr=1-5&keywords=rca+to+1+4+inch+adapter
and like this : http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-Cable-GPR101-Inch-Adaptor/dp/B000068O3S/ref=sr_1_1?s=musical-instruments&ie=UTF8&qid=1371806197&sr=1-1&keywords=rca+to+1+4+inch+adapter

so i can connect the stereo output of GR55 to Aux in of Mustang...

i'll try this connection soon..
just a doubt : do you think the impedance of the Roland stereo output (jacks mono) and the Aux in are well matched? so it can sounds correctly?
if it would work even better wouldn't be a problem to me buy on line an adapter mono to to mono like this : http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103712#
i have a very short jack to jack cable used in past to connect stomp effects.. and i could go from L/mono out (roland) to one female of that adapter , the male of that adapter into Return (mustang) and with short cable from the other female of adapter doing a bridge with Send..
i don't know if this connection with bridge or jumper between Mustang Send and Return, mentioned in a precedent post was tested and it actually works..
thanks
Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 5:51 am
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impedances are fine, the outputs in the oland and the aux-input on the mustang are both for line-out levels.

Any mono 1/4 male to 1/8 male cable should be fine to go from the roland to the mustang. having both stereo outputs is also possible, but the mustang has only one speaker... so :)


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