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Post subject: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Thu May 02, 2013 12:33 pm
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Hi everyone.

I'm a proud owner of the III v2 + 4way foot switch + exp1 pedal. Love it. Anyways, I use it by selecting a patch with the 2way switch and then turn overdrive, mod, etc. on and off with the 4way switch ( like real pedals). However, I'd often need a bit of an extra boost so I was thinking of adding some compressor or level pedal upfront.
Anyone doing this (which one)? Any problems? Other real pedals you guys use? I have a tc ditto looper coming which will go in the fx loop... Also have a Dunlop wah which I never used with the mustang yet... Might try that too.
Apart from those I never really owned much pedals (none I would still use) so some stories from you guys should be good.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 2:44 am
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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:58 am
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Curious about the same thing so borrowed a ProCo Rat from a buddy to test with my MII V2. Loved it. I'm definitely getting an external dirt box but trying to decide which one. The Rat is pretty amazing, was going to get a Big Muff but I may have changed my mind. Granted, you're asking about a MIII but shouldn't be that different of a comparison. Hope that helps.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:22 am
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Hi Captainc,

just out of curiosity and given you did the testing, how different is the pro co rat from the blackbox effect already inculded in the Mustang v2?


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:37 am
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Hi Captainc,

just out of curiosity and given you did the testing, how different is the pro co rat from the blackbox effect already inculded in the Mustang v2?


I A/B'd the two using the same amp model. 65 Twin clean and Dirty. VERY close when playing chunky Rhythm's. Very pleasantly surprised. Lead sounds were a bit clearer and creamier using the pedal as I expected, but I bet with some more time and tweaking, you could probably get much better result. It was certainly close enough to make me wonder if i should get a different dirt box so i can cover more ground.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:27 pm
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I actually thought about it for two reasons.

I'd like to use my mustang like a proper amp - dial in some nice amp simulation (some small modulation if desired) - and kick in some lead, boost or extra distortion with pedals. Have 5-10 basic presets that work with my guitars and give me different sounds.

I'm cool with a variety of basic amp sounds, but somehow I cannot get used to use patches for individual songs (especially when loaded with effects).

My previous amp was an awesome tube cabinet (peavey blues breaker), where I basically only used a wah in front and used its two channels... Now it's too loud (only play in my apartment a.t.m) bulky and heavy.

Nowadays I mess around with various music styles so I went for the modeling approach and I also love the size weight of my v3.

So what I plan to do is using a booster plus some overdrive to have some nice lead in front of my amp.

Thinking about getting some used fulltone pedal (gt500 or fulldrive2) as they would serve both functions, but they are pricey! Almost 50% of my amp, used are a bit cheaper... Not sure.

I think I'd go with some quality stuff, had some cheap $@! pedals and then basically never used any since my tube amp was quite nice by itself and they sounded like $@!&...

Thanks for your own thoughts ( keep it coming )!

Is anyone having problems with digital artefacts, buzz etc. when using lead (boost, dist.) pedals in front?


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 3:30 pm
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Regarding fuzz:

I really dig the big fuzz in the mustang. Awesome sound if you ask me, no need for a fuzz pedal for me...


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:04 pm
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I agree completely and have been thinking the same thing. Rather than 24 presets, I plan on just picking the amp models I like and making a clean and dirty version. I just made a footswitch and it works swimmingly so I now have my 65 clean twin on green and when I want it smelly, I step on my switch. I also noticed in fuse you can customize the FX knobs. That will come in handy if I can just pick a few FX settings I like, assign them to the knobs and rely les on the Computer. Then a dirt box and maybe a clean boost in front and whammo. The 65 Twin model IMO is worth the price of the amp. Sounds really sweet. Please post any pedal suggestions you have. The Big Fuzz is awesome. I just wish I could stick a booster or EQ after and push the mids a bit.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:22 pm
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Can you go into this a little more? Am I missing something? What do you mean here? Thanks!

[quote="captainc"]I also noticed in fuse you can customize the FX knobs. That will come in handy if I can just pick a few FX settings I like, assign them to the knobs and rely les on the Computer.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 4:37 pm
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captainc wrote:
The 65 Twin model IMO is worth the price of the amp. Sounds really sweet.

So true!

captainc wrote:
Please post any pedal suggestions you have. The Big Fuzz is awesome. I just wish I could stick a booster or EQ after and push the mids a bit.

My Tonebone classic tube distortion in front of the 65 Twin model sounds really good. Clean to crème de la crème.

Okay enough trade secrets.

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:06 pm
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jwoertz wrote:
Can you go into this a little more? Am I missing something? What do you mean here? Thanks!

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I also noticed in fuse you can customize the FX knobs. That will come in handy if I can just pick a few FX settings I like, assign them to the knobs and rely les on the Computer.


I noticed lastnight that in the upper right field of the preset editor there is a "save effects" button. When you click on it it pops up an option to save Mod/Dly/Rvb to whichever slot (A1, A2 etc.) you choose. Didn't mess around too much with it but if I can just assign a slow chorus, a couple of delay sounds I like to these knobs I'm happy

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 9:03 pm
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Be careful using level boosting effects into the front end of these amps. These are not the same animals as the tube amps you guys are used to.

The digi preamp will only accept so much input level before a limiter of some sort kicks in. This is to protect the digital components. It won't give you a volume boost, or kick in the dirt. I tried this once, and got more compression, but no boost.

If you're looking for a solo boost, you'll need to go through the fx loop.

Dirt pedals work just fine into the main input, as long as you're using them to color the sound, and not trying to push the amp into overdrive. I've gotten the best results by setting the volume/level knob on the pedal at unity, and dialing in the dirt with the gain knob. Pedals with lots of their own distortion give the best results. ( I've used: Fulltone OCD; MXR custom badass Modified OD and '78 Distortion; and Boss Blues Driver. All worked perfectly to add more flavor.)

The ones modelled in the amp are a part of the model, and DO work in the time honored fashion. Thus, the green screamer or Ranger booster would be a better way to kick in your lead. Add it to your preset and turn it off until needed.

In the interests of full disclosure, I own a V1. It's the same deal though- the V2 just has added options, a redesigned fx loop, and a less noisy whatever was causing the fizzy sound. All digi amps are like this. There's no tube "nuts" to kick.

Swirlies, echoes, trems, reverbs- all will work with this amp. I've had good luck running phasers and analog delays as well as chorus into the main input as well as the loop. You may need to fiddle a bit to get dead last fx like verb and trem to work well in the new loop, as it's now been shifted ahead of some of the modelling. ( the ones included in the amp are very good, though so this may be a moot point)

There's a thread somewhere on here about how the V2 fx loop doesn't work and play well with loopers, due to it's redesign. Someone posted a work around for this.


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 1:08 am
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Thanks for your input pyroman.

A couple of points:
1) Boost
Great hint with regarding boost. I feared that this was the case for modeling amps (digital signal processing), so I basically thought along the same lines: create nice clean amp models, put a lead boost to the first stomp on my 4foot switch, maybe some tremolo or other (subtle modulation) on the second, whatever delay I can settle on the third and be set. So essentially only a nice distortion/ overdrive pedal upfront to get some dirt/ cream... I heard great things about the OCD. May I ask you what you do you use it for (music style, which settings...)

2) Looper
There is an beta firmware update for v2 mustang amps out (can't recall the version number, but its up in the forums)... I just flashed my amp and got my ditto looper pedal yesterday. Changed the fx loop settings accordingly et voila, nice loop action on my horsy !!! This was initially a big let down for me when I realized there are problems with using loopers on this thing (never used one before but always planned on doing it someday), but it seems it's all good with the update! Yeah! :P

I might also try your other suggestion: get myself some boost/ level pedal and try it inside the fx loop to get some extra punch for lead...

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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 4:12 am
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Hi ,
by the way.. did you notice there is a digital limitation in most amp models ( V.1 and V.2) so occurs hard clipping if you try to drive one amp with a fuzz with higher gain settings or other kind of internal stomp distortions?
i'm talking about Jimi Hendrix settings emulations, Gilmour early tones emulations , Santana tones, and other that use basically a low to mid gain amp model with a kind of fuzz model to overdriven the virtual preamp stage..
however, yes, the Fender Twin '65 is one of the few exceptions that can be fully saturated , getting just a nice compression as real things and without any unwanted digital modulation that doesn't belong to real behaviour of tubes..

i don't know how sounds good or bad a real pedal before the Mustang (at the moment i have not real pedals) but i know that you can not use those kind of settings mentioned above without get annoying additional modulations caused by (digital) hard clipping..
as the subject of your topics seems in some way close to mine i thought to let you know about it..
the topic i started some days ago is here http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=85759
but surely you have already notice it in the list of topics..
and unfortunately at Fender already gave their judgement:
They
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will not be making any changes to the Mustang™ (V.2) firmware based upon the behavior described in this forum post


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Post subject: Re: Anyone using pedals with the Mustang 3 v2 ?
Posted: Tue May 07, 2013 6:03 am
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@frondizi

Not really sure. I have seen your thread, but did not really follow it. Is this specific to a certain amp simulation or with all models? Was there consensus if hot pickups are to blame?

I did not do extensive testing with my amp yet and I normally do not go too crazy with my gain/ distortions...

I will read up on it though. Good to see that more and more people are getting their v2s and conversations and testing is picking up...

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