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Post subject: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:26 pm
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Hi all,

I am kinda new with all the effects the Mustang amp supports and I have a question about using the effects in a loop or between the guitar and the amp.

What is the big difference between putting an effect in the line in from the amp or putting it in a loop?


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:16 pm
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Hi Nick,

I will depend on which effect you are talking about, which model and version of fender mustang you have and what kind of tone you want to accomplish. Can you provide some extra details?


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:43 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Hi Nick,

I will depend on which effect you are talking about, which model and version of fender mustang you have and what kind of tone you want to accomplish. Can you provide some extra details?


Well, for instance a reverb or delay effect. I own a Mustang I and III V2. What will be the big difference between putting a delay before the amp or in a loop?


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:24 pm
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In the case of the delay, it will depend on how much gain you have on your amp emulation.

Suppose your amp emulation is configured in such a way that the volume you get from your guitar is enough to go into saturation but just barely.

Imagine also that your delay settings create one echo of the original signal at half the volume.

If you put the delay PRE amp emulation, you will hear the original note saturated and the second clean

If you put your delay POST amp emulation you will hear the note and the echo both overdriven.

Similar use cases can be made for most effects.


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 11:20 am
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I am experimenting with the effects of my amp and trying to hear the differences if I put an effect before the amp or in a loop. I barely hear any difference. I have a Mustang I and III (both version 2).

I am kind of a newbie with all the effects and trying to discover all the settings of the different effects, like for instance the Reverd effect.

Is there somewhere a manual where all the settings (reverb; decay, dwell, level etc) are clearly described?


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:05 pm
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some effects will sound similar and others will not depending on the kind of amp emulation chosen and the gain level of the amp emulation, and of course on the effect level.
As an example, dial-in the basic princeton amp, adjust gain to medium/high, now add a simple-compressor with MID setting to the PRE position and compare with the same compressor on the POST position. Using a compressor on the POST position is a basic trick to get more gain out of the amp models on the Mustangs.


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:08 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
some effects will sound similar and others will not depending on the kind of amp emulation chosen and the gain level of the amp emulation, and of course on the effect level.
As an example, dial-in the basic princeton amp, adjust gain to medium/high, now add a simple-compressor with MID setting to the PRE position and compare with the same compressor on the POST position. Using a compressor on the POST position is a basic trick to get more gain out of the amp models on the Mustangs.


I have tried this with the amp you suggested and indeed, there is a big difference. Still not sure when to decide to place an effect in the POST or PRE position because with some effects the difference are barely noticeable. I suppose it is just experimenting with the effects?


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 2:38 pm
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Nick_NGG66 wrote:
I suppose it is just experimenting...


and THAT is the spirit!
seriously you will learn a lot tweaking presets, Start either with basic amp presets or with the fully populated presets that came with the amp and play with the gain, tone controls, and effects levels. In the end you will be able to build a tone on demand very quickly.


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 4:54 pm
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Hi Nick_NGG66,

We will be happy to assist. It seems that jedi2b has offered some great advice, thanks jedi2b:) - Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 1:55 am
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What is the big difference between putting an effect in the line in from the amp or putting it in a loop?

This is a much bigger, and more general question, than just for Mustang amps. There are generally-accepted guidelines on the 'correct' order to place effects in the signal chain. There are many articles on this all over the 'net, with the best of these explaining why the effects are in a certain order, and thus giving you the knowledge for your own experimentation: you don't have to follow the guidelines if you want a different sound, but knowing how the various effects all inter-relate can help you find that sound more easily.

I'd suggest searching for and reading some of the existing articles; they contain far more information and detail on this than could sensibly be provided in this forum. A simple search for "guitar effects order" or "guitar signal chain" etc will give a wealth of useful web pages. Here's a few of the ones that I personally find better (because of detailed explanations, helpful simple diagrams, etc):

http://www.justinguitar.com/en/GG-050-E ... lOrder.php
http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/pro ... ain-order/
http://www.jamplay.com/articles/5-guide ... ing-part-1
http://www.glab.com.pl/tip_13_en


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Post subject: Re: Difference effects line input or loop?
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 9:38 am
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Hi scott-uk ,

Thanks for helping out, we appreciate it!

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