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Post subject: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 9:17 pm
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Has anyone else had Issues getting most of your channels equal at loud Volume? AT home I seem to have everything fairly equal.But when I bring the Amp to practice and turn up for sound check everything is good Until I change to a Differnt preset.I have about 8-10 differant sets of channels.Example ch.1 Clean ch2/80`s dirty rythm ch3/80`s Solo then after sound check.as an example If I change for a differant song say with a 90`s rythem channel It will get way louder or another channel that will be to low.I have tried to make sure they are all at the same volume & master.Is this just how the amps are.Do I need a decibel reader or something that measures sound? Or is there an easier way to do this?
Thanks it`s been driving my nuts.I can`t seem to get them all where I want them.
Any help would be appreciated .Thanks


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:04 am
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You need to set relative volumes at a louder level than "lowish bedroom"levels as you ears are logarithmic regards perceived loudness!
I recognise the same phenomenon so it's not a faulty amp,just the way decibels are thrown at you! :)

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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:13 am
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And I think more fuzzed-out sounds spread out the energy across the spectrum, where a clean sound is more focused, so for equal energy, the clean tone peaks louder. Just have to tweak the VOLUME knob, and you may have to sacrifice some of the clean presets' loudness, if you really need a matched set.


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:11 am
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Well thanks for your answers but I`m not sure I explained It correct.Lets say I have a 70`s amp on with Overdrive & reverb Then switch to 80`s for next tune.If both have the same set of Volume & gain & master.Is one supposed to be Louder then the other at Higher volumes? At least Mine sounds Like some are.LOL I feel like I need a Sound Level Meter just to get them all in the same area.Except of coarse solo channels which would be a bit louder on my amp.Thanks again Kevin


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:33 am
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The more distorted or driven the preset, the louder it will sound. Is not your amp, is physics. The reason Fender included the volume knob (not master volume) is to accomodate for this fact of life.


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:49 am
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Adrenaline wrote:
Lets say I have a 70`s amp on with Overdrive & reverb Then switch to 80`s for next tune.If both have the same set of Volume & gain & master.Is one supposed to be Louder then the other at Higher volumes?


Yes, this is very likely and expected.

The preset "volume" control is indeed supposed to be used to normalize the volumes among presets. It's not supposed to affect the tone of the preset, except insofar as our ears perceive the sounds differently at different volumes.

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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:48 am
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Ok thanks.I`m surprised there is such a differance in Volume on some of these models.How do you get them all somewhat equal at a loud volume.In order to play in band envirnment?
hahaha It seems like it would be Impossible.Like if you did a sound check with one channel then used a differant one.All of a sudden your to low or to loud. :lol: Not sure why they would not be equal in output?I understand if you add an effect on 1 with the output up this will effect the volume.But the straight up amps with distortion? I don`t get that.
Does any one else here use This in band setting & how do you get all your sounds somewhat equal by ear? I would think it is not an easy thing to do by ear.


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:55 am
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any two amps playing two different sound waveforms (one more driven than the other for example) will make one sound louder than the other, this is because of the extra harmonics produced by overdrive/distortion.
This is the same reason tube amps are (erroneously) thought as been louder than solid state amps, it is simply a fact that the tube amps are normally used overdriven and soild state are not (because they sound terrible), so the overdriven sound sounds louder.

When playing with a band you will need to adjust your volume and tone stack pretty much constantly anyway, depending on the song, playing style, how the other guys in the band are playing and so on.
I suggest to adjust the volume of each preset so each one sounds the same level as other preset. This will also vary depending on how you use your preset, is not the same if you are strumming a chord than if you are playing single notes, or doing a solo. Once you have the volume equalized, when moving from venue to venue you will only need to adjust:

-master volume to suit the new venue (particularly if your drummer is heavy handed, and starts a volume war)
-tone stack of the amp to accomodate for the room characteristics, and to cut through the mix

This actually is EASIER with the Mustangs because you have saved presets, with tube amps and pedals you will need to change this manually, potentially from song to song.


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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:36 am
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Different volumes amongst similar audio resources are prevalent everywhere (as per this discussion).

Anyone who has extensive recording experience knows that it is difficult to maintain equal levels throughout and there is a variety of equipment and procedures to accomplish a desired result. Very often the frequency of a sound has influence over loudness. This, of course, could be from the source or the playback or even the location (such as a room). Add to that a multiple of processors (such as effects) and you have a potential Pandora's box.

Play two pieces of digital or analog music through a stereo at equal VU meter levels and you will hear two different volumes because of the content that goes into making that music. Some of it is production, some of it is equipment differences, some of it is physics, and so on. (In Fender's case how they get their original presets to relatively match I can't say)(I doubt that Fuse presets would have different volume characteristics from the originals; but, I wouldn't rule it out, all things being equal, of course).

I can tell you this. Some years ago it was found that several audio operators, in the studio that I worked in, had different results with controlling levels, partcularily when passing off a project to each other. The solution was to have a meter made with three lights in a horizontal row. When the level was correct the middle led lit and the left and right leds indicated low or high volumes. It worked similar to the lights on the 4 button floor switch when in tuner mode. This only worked for some occassions as other occassions required the more common methods of mixing, particularily as some dynamics demanded more of the human touch. Meters, scopes, software and hardware are simply tools. Experience and,perhaps, a golden ear (extremely rare if it even exists) cannot come easily. Alhough, this doesn't directly apply to the Mustang preset volumes it does address the fact that variables do and always will exist.

Just a thought. Perhaps it would be helpful (if you haven't already chosen to do so) to compare all levels to one preset (dirty or clean) at a volume,perhaps midway or at the highest (but always equal and the same each time). I would also try using headphones for reference. Somewhere these methods may or may not work for you.

Best of luck.

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Post subject: Re: Problem creating equal volumes on Mustang IV
Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:57 am
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On a side note:

Has anyone managed to make their self-made presets equal in level (as per this discussion) on any other modelng amp?

If so . . . how did you do it and/or explain the difference (it might be usefui)

If not (this too will shed light on the process).

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