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Post subject: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:06 pm
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Got myself a M1 the other week, because I only have one SS amp, a Pathfinder, and as a 1-year player, I needed the all in one options a Mustang offers if I'm going to learn some stuff that require fx and variable gain - at home volumes.

But gees, it's hard to work with, on two fronts.

I can't figure out some of the stuff on Fuse, such as how you overwrite/save a current preset with a downloaded one, and how to recall the previous one if you want it back.

The array of options for amps and cabs and finer tweaks is, frankly, bewildering, and I have no idea where to start to fashion a given sound. So far I've just used the green for clean sounds, which amounts to puling back the gain on most models, but the higher gain model aren't really meant to clean up much, I guess.

I've used red for various dirtier version of the clean presets. But that's about it. What I want to do is find a few good home made presets of both, but I just seem to be fumbling around. I have no real experience tweaking amps, and that's the main problem. Fuse just adds complexity.

Any places I can get help? The manual is hopeless being limited to the amp only. The Fuse website is pretty poor, offering no real meat and potatoes instruction on how to work with presets and what the menus and stuff are for.


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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:31 am
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You are right, the docs are shamefully weak, and the site, for all the glitz, doesn't offer much help.

The preset saving process is especially confusing. You'll have to keep at it and try stuff until you figure it out, and get more comfortable. The most important thing is the right click in the Media Manager window, where the presets appear sort of spreadsheet style.

I think first of all you have to be clear about the fact that a guitar tone consists of 3 separate things: the amp model you use, the level of gain you apply (that, along with the Volume setting on your guitar sets the amount of signal in the preamp, and that sets the overload/distortion the amp will be working at), and third the Effects. Forget effects for now, they're just frosting, and get to know the first two. There aren't all that many controls. Look at what the advanced amp section adds to that, it's still only about a dozen knobs all told.

Later, after you understand how the amp model reacts to the tone controls and more or less Gain, you can add an overdrive stomp and see how that works, both in front of the amp, and in the 'post' rack. Later yet you can explore the other effects, as ornaments.

Also take a look at this thread
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=75417

It's not THAT complicated. have fun.


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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:51 am
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I can do the basics - I connect my amp and switch between them, make changes and save them. Beyond that, there's way too little support to use Fuse.

I'm not a big user of fx, but a little trem, reverb or chorus sure makes a difference to getting a bigger sound. Delay will become useful when I actually play some tunes that require it. Can't see myself using any of the wackier ones. Does anyone really use a step filter?

So I can manage that, it's just getting good sounds with the amp models available.


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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:53 am
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I was able to find all the information I needed here and on the Fender site.

I may have found it a difficult process if I hadn't worked with MIDI rack systems before the Internet was a good resource for manuals and instructions. Also with those rack systems, you were generally dealing with products made by several different manufacturers, so there was no one user manual, and chances are there weren't too many people out there that had the same exact setup.

What you have is one box and some software that controls it. It won't do the work itself, but it's not that hard to learn.

Here are some resources, you may have already found all of this, but at least you'll have all the links in one place.

FUSE MANUAL (direct link to PDF)

SUPPORT KNOWLEDGE BASE

MUSTANG I ADVANCED USER MANUAL

FENDER FUSE FORUM

FernandR wrote:
Also take a look at this thread
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=75417


There are a lot of people here on the forums who know these amps and FUSE inside and out, my best advice (if you don't like poking through technical documentation) is to ask your questions, one at a time, on the appropriate forum, FUSE or Mustang. I'd be surprised if you didn't get a hang of the software and amp very quickly with a little work.

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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:27 pm
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You might want to try You tube as well. I found quite a bit of good info on using my MIII there. Chances are, someone else has had the same dilemma you have, and someone may well have thought to do a video tutorial on it.

I have to agree with you on some of the fx. There are a few there that just fall into the category of "Gee Whiz! Ain't this cool?", but that aren't for every style. That Step Filter esp- there's a reason the preset that uses it is called "What the @#%&?"

I even came up with my own "probably not useable in real life" extreme fx sound. I used one of the presets that uses the 60's Brit amp model. Swapped out whatever reverb it had for the large hall one and cranked the level. Added a med-slow chorus, w/med depth and 11:00 level. Then added a modulated tape echo delay ( from a TC Flashback pedal). The result_ I called it HALLOOOOO!!!! It sounded like the amp was in a massive cavern with endless echoes! I wonder what would happen if I stepped on the Boss Tremolo pedal I have in the loop...


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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:37 am
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Drubbing wrote:
Does anyone really use a step filter?

Actually, the step filter is one of the new(to me) effects and I put it to use right away in a slow spacey song. It worked best when I strummed a chord just once, slowly at the star of each bar, and with some delay added it spread out over the rest of the bar creating an erie synth effect. It's not something a blues or country player would use probably but you never know, but being a fan of experimental bands like Sigur Ros, Pink Floyd etc..., I found a place for it in my music.

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Post subject: Re: Tutes for Mustang/Fuse
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:46 am
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Jim9guitars wrote:
Drubbing wrote:
Does anyone really use a step filter?

I found a place for it in my music.

For the use such an fx would get, it would have been better value to put in something more usable.

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As for Fuse, I have tried YT tutes but found nothing remotely useful. Most I found were from people winging it, for the sake of putting up a vid. That's why asking here seemed a logical step..

Yes, I've seen the link to the Fuse thread here, but it's focussing on the MIII, and what the lesser-known controls on the amp models do. Nothing about using Fuse to create, save and backup presets.


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