It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:40 pm

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
Post subject: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:26 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:18 pm
Posts: 4
Wanted to see if the New V2's really sounded any better than the V1's. They do! I had a Mustang lll v1 from the onset and just purchased a V2 version of the same amp. Checked out each of the Amp models with the exact same settings on both amps. The new V2 really does sound better. It is richer sounding, less sterile, for lack of a better term .....more tube-like. Really happy with the purchase.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:34 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 am
Posts: 824
Hey lastingimage,

exactly the post I have been looking for for a while now :)

Any chance you can post a youtube or audio comparison of at least a couple amp emulation models? I'm pretty sure many folks around here, including myself, would be ecstatic if you could do something like that.

Thanks!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:46 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am
Posts: 1256
This is interesting news, I wonder how much they really changed with these new versions..

Happy for ya man!

I just don't see the need in my situation to upgrade from the V1 MIII, (It's my practice amp.) but I've been following these posts with a lot of interest.

Mine has not developed the "FIZZ" and if it has, I'm not hearing it, which is unusual because I tend to drive people I work in bands with crazy with odd sounds, rattles and buzzes that they cannot hear but I can't deal with.

I see some people have had some hiccups with the PC integrations and FUSE.. hopefully that gets sorted out too.

Rock ON!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:58 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 am
Posts: 824
My M3 V1 always had some amount of fizz, but I never cared about it, because it was more a scientific curiosity than a real impairment if you play blues or rock.

Lately I started to learn some jazz, which means more clean, more bottom, more single notes with more sustain. In some cases, depending on the preset the fizz started to be annoying, so In those cases this is the magic solution: increase the volume! If i go from master volume from 2.5 to 5, the fizz effectively disappears for all intents and purposes in all situations. And a volume of 5 for jazz seems to be equivalent to a volume of 2.5 for blues, so no problem there :)

But still I'm curious to hear the difference between V1 and V2 I read in another post that the difference apparently was attributed to the V2 models to have by default more bias (like a bias of 0% on V2 is like a bias of 25 on V1) but that is impossible to determine without having both amps in fron of me.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:04 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am
Posts: 1256
well that's interesting, I play a lot of fingerstyle jazz and use it clean a lot.

and I've gone looking for it --
to no avail..

but I hear ya,, you'd really need to do what the OP did, side by side...

Cheers


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:03 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 am
Posts: 824
Hey Kid,

good to know. Can you tell me or share one of the presets you use for fingerstyle jazz and most importantly at which master volume level you play?

The other piece of information that would be crucial to imitate your setup would be to know which pickup you use and at what guitar level (my pickups are quite hot (texas specials), and even then I only get fizz if playing at guitar volume of 5 or more, still saving for the jazz box :)

If I can recreate your setup and still have fizz we can convene that some V1 have fizz and other do not, independently of the preset/volume/guitar used (which I'm not convinced of, I think all V1 are built the same, is just that having evident fizz requires specific setup that not everybody uses, but this would be a good test to validate or not that point for the people that is avoiding the V1s because they think all have the fizz)


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:49 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am
Posts: 1256
Hi Jedi..

Models are the Deluxe Reverb RI. or a Twin (I have a few varients of Beauty Clean or Sic Clean

The master volume is usually just before two. (so not really loud when I'm playing the jazz boxes). I think the Volume is usually dimed, and I have the gain set to maybe 3. Treble 8, Middle 4 Bass 5 or 6. This seems to work for me for all three of the amp modes used for the clean sound

Pickups are all humbuckers for the jazz stuff. I've got a few archtops that I've collected over the years.

ES135 -PAFs
Broadway stock: USA made Gibby Humbuckers
Emperor Regent: stock floating humbucker
Swingster: Swingbuckers (out of phase they sound a bit Gretchy, in phase, like PAFs.)
Elitist Country Gent: USA 50SR & 50TR humbuckers

I notice that the Bass setting is the most crucial with the humbuckers I can get the speaker to start farting really fast with the front pups and a heavy right hand attack,
which is not the "Fizz" but all the same, a rather unpleasant sound! :D

Incidentally, I have Texas Specials in my strat too, so we could definitely do some comparisons with settings and results.

But I have gone thru the "way to hear the fizz" suggestions, a few times - either I'm deaf to it, or...... it aint there. All I get is the note, and that's with my ear planted about 2 inches from the grill cloth, and I've played with the volume (to the point where I don't want to blow out the ear drum) so it's not like I've not gone lookin for it!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:13 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 am
Posts: 824
If some Mustangs V1 are indeed exempt of the fizz completely that would be great news!

I tried your setup with deluxe 65 and I can not make it fizz either :(

So I created and published a new and infamous new preset: the Fizzmaster!
here's the link:
https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... fizzmaster

Is kind of jazzy but dark and with lots of bottom.

If you want to give it a try with your texas specials this is the recipe I use:
-the aforementioned preset
-master volume at 3.5
-neck pickup (texas special) on my strat
-guitar volume 6, tone 5

playing any single note on the 6th string from fret 7 to 12 should give you the fizz, if it does not, I can assure you, you don't have it... which would be great because it means somewhere along the road fender corrected the V1's... which means that if a fizzy V1 got it's power supply fried for any reason, and the power supply needs to be replaced by a new one (which incidentally is on the same PCB as the fizzy power amp)... the fizz will be gone!

Man, pawn shops will love you if you confirm no fizz, as V1's will go up in price immediately. :)

PS: I sincerell envy you guitar collection.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Sat Mar 16, 2013 3:45 pm
Offline
Roadie
Roadie

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:09 pm
Posts: 253
Location: PA, USA
One way to reduce the V1 fizz is to turn off the cab model. Set the amp model to something that uses a 1x12 (because that's what the speaker is) and then turn off the cab modeling. I did that on a few Mustang IIIs and it definitely helped.

_________________
Guitars: Fender A.D.E Strat - Schecter PT with Duncans - Martin OOOC16RGTE
PA Gear: Alesis MultiMix 10 Mixer - Carvin FX2 - EV ZLX12P Powered Speakers
Amps: Fender Mustang III v2 - Alto Kick 12
Effects: Line 6 M13


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:47 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:47 am
Posts: 1256
I'll give it a try at some point in the next few days Jedi,

thanks for the efforts here.

/KB


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:52 am
Offline
Roadie
Roadie

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:09 pm
Posts: 253
Location: PA, USA
Fender didn't ever correct the fizz on any of the V1 Mustangs. If one by chance does not fizz, it's just by pure luck. Don't forget that for many, the fizz was NOT there and then developed over time. The only way to go truly fizz-free is to get a V2 Mustang.

jedi2b wrote:
If some Mustangs V1 are indeed exempt of the fizz completely that would be great news!

I tried your setup with deluxe 65 and I can not make it fizz either :(

So I created and published a new and infamous new preset: the Fizzmaster!
here's the link:
https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... fizzmaster

Is kind of jazzy but dark and with lots of bottom.

If you want to give it a try with your texas specials this is the recipe I use:
-the aforementioned preset
-master volume at 3.5
-neck pickup (texas special) on my strat
-guitar volume 6, tone 5

playing any single note on the 6th string from fret 7 to 12 should give you the fizz, if it does not, I can assure you, you don't have it... which would be great because it means somewhere along the road fender corrected the V1's... which means that if a fizzy V1 got it's power supply fried for any reason, and the power supply needs to be replaced by a new one (which incidentally is on the same PCB as the fizzy power amp)... the fizz will be gone!

Man, pawn shops will love you if you confirm no fizz, as V1's will go up in price immediately. :)

PS: I sincerell envy you guitar collection.

_________________
Guitars: Fender A.D.E Strat - Schecter PT with Duncans - Martin OOOC16RGTE
PA Gear: Alesis MultiMix 10 Mixer - Carvin FX2 - EV ZLX12P Powered Speakers
Amps: Fender Mustang III v2 - Alto Kick 12
Effects: Line 6 M13


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:24 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 15, 2011 8:15 am
Posts: 310
Location: Southeastern Seaboard
jwoertz wrote:
Fender didn't ever correct the fizz on any of the V1 Mustangs. If one by chance does not fizz, it's just by pure luck. Don't forget that for many, the fizz was NOT there and then developed over time. The only way to go truly fizz-free is to get a V2 Mustang.

Fender never admitted to anything one way or the other. People have reported varying degrees of fizz. Some have said it was there and now its gone or is less. It may have everything to do with luck, but it's plausible that Fender has mitigated and in some cases cured the symptoms of fizz on some Mustang V.1s through firmware updates (and kept it hush, hush). Don't forget they fixed a similar issue on the MI & II with firmware. I'm just saying it's plausible that's all.

But I agree with one thing, if its still a concern, just get a V.2.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:39 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:08 am
Posts: 824
and of course, supposing the fizz is some sort of degenerative disease of the mustang amps, nothing prevents from fizz developing on V2's later :)

Personally I do not believe in solid state audio electronics that deteriorate over time (not over 2 years anyway)
The fizz as we called it is nothing but a flaw in the design of the Mustang 3-4-5 power amp, for those more on electronics, is just negative feedback with exaggerated gain in the 1khz to 2 kHz range. This is present all the time on all the mustangs I saw, except that to hear it, you need a specific set of circumstances to occur, like:

-master volume setting (I could never find a mustang that will fizz with master volume above 5)
-amount of bass of the preset used (particularly in the 100-200 hz range)
-absence of all other effects, like delay and such
-only clean tones and single notes and on the 6th string (or 5th string depending on preset)
-only if standing in front of the amp (this thingy is VERY directional)
-only if sufficient gain is configured on the preset and/or the guitar volume is high enough

So the explanation I find for the users that report this debilitating sickness is simply that they did not hear it before. But of course that is just my opinion.

But by any means, more people buying V2's is good for the economy, so go for it!


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:23 pm
Offline
Roadie
Roadie

Joined: Sun Mar 06, 2011 7:09 pm
Posts: 253
Location: PA, USA
And you would assume wrong. It's documented by many Mustang owners that sometimes the fizz did not appear until after several months. Those users thoroughly tested, discussed and compared notes. Just because YOU can't comprehend it, does not make it a myth. Anyone who knows anything about electronics would tell you that it's completely possible for that to happen with a solid state amp.

[quote="jedi2b"]

So the explanation I find for the users that report this debilitating sickness is simply that they did not hear it before. But of course that is just my opinion.

_________________
Guitars: Fender A.D.E Strat - Schecter PT with Duncans - Martin OOOC16RGTE
PA Gear: Alesis MultiMix 10 Mixer - Carvin FX2 - EV ZLX12P Powered Speakers
Amps: Fender Mustang III v2 - Alto Kick 12
Effects: Line 6 M13


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: Just A/B'b Mustang lll V2 against V1
Posted: Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:48 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:15 am
Posts: 300
Heat and too much of it... capacitors close to spec / low spec psu / diodes
The hotter it gets the more things start to fail.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: