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Post subject: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:40 am
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I have the opportunity to purchase a like new MIII for $150 on CL. I don't know if I should go for it or not. I will be able to play it and check for the "fizz". If it is "fizz-free" I think I will be happy with not having the extra models/effects of the v.2. I am not exactly sure what I am asking here...... maybe this....

Should I take a chance on this if it's "fizz-free" or avoid the v.1 altogether.

Also can someone please give me some quick advice on how to exactly check for the "fizz". (I know I saw this somewhere here, but it is now lost in a sea of posts)

I normally play thru a Mustang Floor/FRFR and am considering getting the MIII to use at my rehearsal space (leaving it there) rather than drag my whole rig to rehearsal each time (keeping my main rig at home for daily use/writing/etc). Using the MIII IMO will give me something close to my usually tone rather than just getting some other non-modelling two-channel amp. Also, the MIII gives me a little bit of "consitant back-up" so to speak for my main rig (again as opposed to having something way different as a back-up).

It is quite possible I am looking for someone to talk me out of this (not really sure), LOL.

I also have the opportunity to get a very well taken care of Fender Stage 160 (2-channel/pre-dsp) for $200. Opinios about this are welcome as well.

Thanks in advance as I have a few days before I have to decide I thought someone here may have some sage advice for me,

Bill

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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:48 am
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just my opinion, if you think you wouldn't be happy with the amp if it does indeed 'fizz', then don't buy it.

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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:57 am
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strings10927 wrote:
just my opinion, if you think you wouldn't be happy with the amp if it does indeed 'fizz', then don't buy it.


Thanks Strings.... I know I wouldn't be happy if it does "fizz" and would not purchase it if I demo it and it "fizzes". I guess I should have stated....."If it doesn't 'fizz' " in the OP.

That's why I asked for the "fizz-check tutorial".

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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:18 am
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it's worth looking at - 150 is a good price.

I would definitely agree with your spare rig plan. I have a similar luxury where I have enough gear that I do have a rehearsal rig, as well as some in-the-home rigs. (I have three tub amps plus the MIII which I bought (Mostly out of curiosity) as a practice amp, as well as something I can haul to a jam verse lugging a much heavier tube amp and the pedal board. (had a small VOX AD30VT, not a bad amp for the time, but MIII was superior in every way.)


and apparently not ALL of them have the issue. (I don't think my amp has it, tried the following and all I hear is the note. so . Maybe you'll get lucky too!)


try this... (I found this a few pages back..)
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If you want to hear which would be the closest to fizz in your amp try the following:

On your guitar
-select your bridge pickup, preferably a humbucker in this case
-put guitar volume at 10 or max
-lower tone of the bridge pickup to 1 or min

On your M3-4-5
-Select preset 92 (basic deluxe 65)
-lower treble to minimum
-lower mid to minimum
-increase bass to maximum
-put master volume to around 2.5

Now, on your guitar, fret the 12th fret 6th string and gently pluck the the 6th string with the tip of two fingers, if you do it very hard it could mask the fizz, as the fizz is usually 3dB lower than the actual guitar sound

chances are, if you did not notice it so far, it will not bother you in the future, as is my case.


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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:41 am
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KidBlast wrote:
it's worth looking at - 150 is a good price.

I would definitely agree with your spare rig plan. I have a similar luxury where I have enough gear that I do have a rehearsal rig, as well as some in-the-home rigs. (I have three tub amps plus the MIII which I bought (Mostly out of curiosity) as a practice amp, as well as something I can haul to a jam verse lugging a much heavier tube amp and the pedal board. (had a small VOX AD30VT, not a bad amp for the time, but MIII was superior in every way.)


and apparently not ALL of them have the issue. (I don't think my amp has it, tried the following and all I hear is the note. so . Maybe you'll get lucky too!)


try this... (I found this a few pages back..)
----------------------------------------


If you want to hear which would be the closest to fizz in your amp try the following:

On your guitar
-select your bridge pickup, preferably a humbucker in this case
-put guitar volume at 10 or max
-lower tone of the bridge pickup to 1 or min

On your M3-4-5
-Select preset 92 (basic deluxe 65)
-lower treble to minimum
-lower mid to minimum
-increase bass to maximum
-put master volume to around 2.5

Now, on your guitar, fret the 12th fret 6th string and gently pluck the the 6th string with the tip of two fingers, if you do it very hard it could mask the fizz, as the fizz is usually 3dB lower than the actual guitar sound

chances are, if you did not notice it so far, it will not bother you in the future, as is my case.


Thank you very much!

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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:08 am
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You almost have to approach this like shopping for a new cell phone or computer. If you can afford to spend the extra money then you should get the latest and greatest that's available. If money is an issue you have to ask yourself if the new features vs the price is worth it to you?

That being said the V.1 amps are very capable amps and will probably work very well for how you want to use it. As far as the fizz, if you go looking for it under specific parameters, there's a reasonable expectation that you will find it (but then again, you might not). But if the fact that it is present (even though you can't hear it when playing normally) bothers you, definitely don't get the amp. I would suggest that you play the amp on several different clean settings as you would normally play, if the fizz is bad enough to be a problem, it will show its self. If doesn't show its self, don't worry about it. Just my 2 cents.


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Post subject: Re: Not sure.... Like new MIII v.1 or just wait
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:27 am
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Scorpaeon wrote:
You almost have to approach this like shopping for a new cell phone or computer. If you can afford to spend the extra money then you should get the latest and greatest that's available. If money is an issue you have to ask yourself if the new features vs the price is worth it to you?

That being said the V.1 amps are very capable amps and will probably work very well for how you want to use it. As far as the fizz, if you go looking for it under specific parameters, there's a reasonable expectation that you will find it (but then again, you might not). But if the fact that it is present (even though you can't hear it when playing normally) bothers you, definitely don't get the amp. I would suggest that you play the amp on several different clean settings as you would normally play, if the fizz is bad enough to be a problem, it will show its self. If doesn't show its self, don't worry about it. Just my 2 cents.


Thanks.... Money is the real issue here I suppose as I don't "need" another amp. It is for convenience/back-up purposes only. So I don't have to lug my rig to rehearsal everytime and incase my main rig craps out unexpectedly.

OK, maybe I am not as informed about the "fizz" issue as I thought. Are you saying that the "fizz" is only there if you go looking for it and is not noticable under normal playing conditions? I think I get that you don't notice it if you use distortion because it is covered up. That makes sense to me. I play clean maybe 30% of the time. During that time am I not going to really notice the "fizz" unless I am "looking for it"? Meaning..... under normal playing conditions, even if present, the "fizz" is not noticable or basicly tolerable? It this is the case then isn't the "fizz" almost an over-exagerated non-issue? I also do not plan on using the new amp for recording, FYI.

Damn, I thought I had my head wrapped around this.

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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:33 am
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rubbersoul67 wrote:
strings10927 wrote:
just my opinion, if you think you wouldn't be happy with the amp if it does indeed 'fizz', then don't buy it.


Thanks Strings.... I know I wouldn't be happy if it does "fizz" and would not purchase it if I demo it and it "fizzes". I guess I should have stated....."If it doesn't 'fizz' " in the OP.


I mean even if it doesn't when you check it out. Supposedly, the problem can start after you've had the amp for a few months or even years. That's entirely going by the 'folklore' of the forum, but I'd just hate to see you take a gamble and end up unhappy. IMO whether it fizzes when you check it out or not, you should pass on it.

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strings10927 wrote:
rubbersoul67 wrote:
strings10927 wrote:
just my opinion, if you think you wouldn't be happy with the amp if it does indeed 'fizz', then don't buy it.


Thanks Strings.... I know I wouldn't be happy if it does "fizz" and would not purchase it if I demo it and it "fizzes". I guess I should have stated....."If it doesn't 'fizz' " in the OP.


I mean even if it doesn't when you check it out. Supposedly, the problem can start after you've had the amp for a few months or even years. That's entirely going by the 'folklore' of the forum, but I'd just hate to see you take a gamble and end up unhappy. IMO whether it fizzes when you check it out or not, you should pass on it.


Thanks again Strings..... Yeah, I think I am hoping to be talked out of it :)

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plausible that this is why it's on Craig's List for sale.

maybe it HAS the issue and the seller is looking to help finance a V2??


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LOL at 150$ it is less expensive than most single effect pedals! I think the tubescreamer is around that price range, and is by far a one trick pony compared to a full blown amplifier.

I think the celestion speaker retails for 100$ alone... if it is just to gut it and keep the cabinet and the excellent speaker I would get it... but that is just me.

The thing with the fizz, IMO, If you don't play jazz, even if you have it, you will not notice it :)

In my case, to hear it, It only happens if I play single notes, on the 6th string, from fret 7 to 12, and that if in total silence only, and if using a totally clean preset with lots of bass and not much treble, like for example the champ emulation.


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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:09 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
LOL at 150$ it is less expensive than most single effect pedals! I think the tubescreamer is around that price range, and is by far a one trick pony compared to a full blown amplifier.

I think the celestion speaker retails for 100$ alone... if it is just to gut it and keep the cabinet and the excellent speaker I would get it... but that is just me.

The thing with the fizz, IMO, If you don't play jazz, even if you have it, you will not notice it :)

In my case, to hear it, It only happens if I play single notes, on the 6th string, from fret 7 to 12, and that if in total silence only, and if using a totally clean preset with lots of bass and not much treble, like for example the champ emulation.


Thanks Jedi..... I have changed my mind bac and forth like 4 times today. What you say makes a lot of sense and eases my mind some about the possible fizz.

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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:13 pm
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KidBlast wrote:
plausible that this is why it's on Craig's List for sale.

maybe it HAS the issue and the seller is looking to help finance a V2??


You could be right about that KidBlast, but I am thinking not. He wanted $200 and I emailed him telling him that it's too much with the v.2's now available and the anticipated discounts coming on the v.1's. He could be lying but he said that he didn't know that there was a v.2 and the reason he is getting rid of it is it is way louder than he needs. Either way If I decide to go for it I will be trying it first looking for the fizz.

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as with most things these days, you can get really cools tuff at bargain prices if you don't need to have the latest and greatest. Consumerism at it's peak. It is just crazy that this, that normally applied to iPhones now applies too to a more traditional market as it used to be the guitars amp market.


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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:33 pm
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Hey, RubberSoul! Go find some of the recordings that demo the fizz! It is only significant if you play very very clean tones with huge dynamics, where a very very quiet note might not mask it, and you either record or you're prone to listen and obsess over little flaws. On a backup and rehearsal amp, I doubt it would ever matter.

But like the man said, if you're a tweak ... Hey, you MIGHT obsess over it, like listening every day to see if the fizz has developed. That, on top of GAS, would be a pretty tragic neurosis, and in that case the cost of meds and psychiatric inpatient care being what it is, better to get a V.2.

Another idea is to forget the III and for your purposes get a II 2.0, or a discounted 1.0 (they have no fizz). That sucker shakes windows, you know, like you pick the D string and stuff starts dancing around on the desk, lightbulbs <!pop!>, dad's dentures escape and like the Alien creature go chittering down the hall, well, almost.


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