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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:07 am
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DetroitBlues wrote:
I guess I'm a rather simple user. I have stomp boxes already for my effects. I have only one tube amp I use for recordings and stage use. I don't really need 400+ amp, cab, and effects in a little box. I just need a grab and go amp for band practice and at home use. My band is not super loud (I'm a blues guitarist, not a heavy metal shred head). Basically, Bassman circuit with a little Reverb and Tremolo. I need nothing else... So am I better off just buying a Fender Mustang II V1 instead of wasting money on anything else?


.... that's exactly, what I want. By the way, does the mustang take pedals as well as a *normal* tubeamp this way?

... OK, back to toppic - I don't have a v1, but I've been near to buy one. I was afraid about the fizz and so I was happy to hear about the comming of a v2 ... now I have to wait.
I don't like the look and feel of the VIP. The Mustang looks more like a real amp and the Vypyr more like Batmans amp.


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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:30 am
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I hear you, Peavey looks horrible, as does Line6 spiders, and they both look more decrepit and flimsy than the mustangs. I'm afraid these guys are too concentrated on bringing down the price tag than on anything else.

If anybody would come out with a 400$ version of what they do, that would most certainly sound and look fantastic, and have less plastic and more metal on them. I will be running to buy one of those. The only option to the cheapo emulation amps are the 2000$ rack based solution which are insanely priced, or the software only solutions that I do not like at all... or go back to the tubes technology of 1930 and pay 1000$ for it...


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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:46 am
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The Mustang looks more like a real amp and the Vypyr more like Batmans amp.

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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:24 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
I wonder how well it can model a Fender amp clean sound.

I watched another the VYPYR VIP video this morning and it showed that all the guitar amp models are Peavey models except one labled "British".

The bass amps models available are either Trace Elliot or Peavey.

Meh, no way. No Batman amp for me.


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Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:53 pm
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mac-knife wrote:
DetroitBlues wrote:
I guess I'm a rather simple user. I have stomp boxes already for my effects. I have only one tube amp I use for recordings and stage use. I don't really need 400+ amp, cab, and effects in a little box. I just need a grab and go amp for band practice and at home use. My band is not super loud (I'm a blues guitarist, not a heavy metal shred head). Basically, Bassman circuit with a little Reverb and Tremolo. I need nothing else... So am I better off just buying a Fender Mustang II V1 instead of wasting money on anything else?


.... that's exactly, what I want. By the way, does the mustang take pedals as well as a *normal* tubeamp this way?

... OK, back to toppic - I don't have a v1, but I've been near to buy one. I was afraid about the fizz and so I was happy to hear about the comming of a v2 ... now I have to wait.
I don't like the look and feel of the VIP. The Mustang looks more like a real amp and the Vypyr more like Batmans amp.



I heard the fizz isn't on the I or II, just the III mustangs...

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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:11 pm
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DetroitBlues wrote:
I heard the fizz isn't on the I or II, just the III mustangs...


No it is not.


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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 4:41 pm
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I think fender missed the mark here with the new mustang V.2 and i would not buy one because the upgrades do not do justice for me,by adding a few stompbox and amp models are not enough for me to but one over my mustang I and V amps.

Fender should have combined features from the discontinued G-DEC 3 into their new mustang V.2,the SD card slot and the phrase and also backing tracks would have made the V.2 a killer modeling and jam amp along with the added stompbox and amp models.

The new mustang V.2 I and II amps could have had the G-DEC features built into fuse software for all the phrase loops and backing tracks and the V.2 mustang III-V would also have these features available on the LCD display,i also almost forgot to mention that the looper with overdub could have been also added into the new mustang V.2.

I would say a $50 increase could have been added to the new mustang V.2 if these amps had the added G-DEC 3 features,i know if fender put in all the features that i mentioned in their new mustang V.2 that i would most likely buy one.


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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:22 pm
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Hi,
i can't be sure by personal experience if the fizz is solved in V.2 and i'm waiting to go to the guitar shop as soon as the mustang 3 V.2 will arrive in Italy.( it seems in 1-2 weeks)

In the meanwhile, i'm trying to get as much informations as possible, and i find again what i read several days ago about version 2 in the Fender official page of Mustang serie.. and there are at least 2 interesting informations about the new serie.

Even in the Fender Italian web page about the Mustang V.2 there are some sections in English (and other translated in italian) and under the original language section Specifications and "Unique features" there are on my opinion 2 interesting paragraphs. the first one:
" a full palette of effects including reverb, delay/echo, tremolo, phaser, with additional new effects including Big Fuzz, Green Screamer and intelligent pitch shifting (with even more available through Fender® FUSE™)"

in the brackets there is an information i didn't realize the first time i quickly read it.. we could interpret that sentence as "it is possible now thru Fender Fuse get more additional effects than the new 5 included from factory"
I would say right in the same way it is possible to buy additional effects and also amp/cab models to use in Amplitube 3.
What other meaning can we give to that sentence? are they talking just about additional parameters to tweak the effects that even existed in the precedent version? or are they talking about the same customers presets to download from Fender community? i don't think so. There is no mention to parameters or presets before that paragraph.

it would be logical if Fender had brought out a new series mainly to solve the problem of fizz and he had took the opportunity to provide an improved and expandable platform in some way.

Else that sentence would be a lie or misleading advertising.

And the next paragraph .. " two stereo XLR outputs, headphone output and auxiliary input; new low-noise power amp platform;"
in bold the other interesting sentence. I think it is about the solution against the fizz , what it could be otherwise?

what do you think about?
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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:09 am
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frondizi wrote:
Specifications and "Unique features" there are on my opinion 2 interesting paragraphs. the first one:
" a full palette of effects including reverb, delay/echo, tremolo, phaser, with additional new effects including Big Fuzz, Green Screamer and intelligent pitch shifting (with even more available through Fender® FUSE™)"

in the brackets there is an information i didn't realize the first time i quickly read it.. we could interpret that sentence as "it is possible now thru Fender Fuse get more additional effects than the new 5 included from factory"
I would say right in the same way it is possible to buy additional effects and also amp/cab models to use in Amplitube 3.

That's what I think too. Through FUSE you might be able to use the Amplitube Fender LE models included with your purchase, and in a forseeable future, to buy and use all other models from their Custom Shop.

One can dream, isn't it..?

frondizi wrote:
And the next paragraph .. " two stereo XLR outputs, headphone output and auxiliary input; new low-noise power amp platform;"
in bold the other interesting sentence. I think it is about the solution against the fizz ,


I second your opinion here as well.

Not that what I've experienced with the oh so dreaded "fizz" was ever a deal breaker or a "life or death" situation as some has stated in the past...

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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:02 am
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Ciao Pepe,
as said in another post, about one and half year ago i returned to Casale Bauer (Fender Italy) my first Mustang 3 after 20 days because the fizz. in the second Mustang 3 v.1 they provided me 4 months later, the problem of the fizz happened again after a while and i solved partially it after one of the latest firmware updates.. so in the clean sounds the fizz was really gone but it was never solved in overdriven tones.. as my reference tones include Carlos (Santana) straight sustained notes, i just couldn't stand that background modulation caused by fizz ..
i want to decide myself if apply a vibrato to a note or whether simply keep it sustained for several seconds like Santana did in the seventies.. and also to do Gilmour tones i think it is better a no-fizz distortion.
I know that using digital models except a few advanced technologies like Fractal Audio one, there are problems of digital artifacts (for example in Roland pedalboards VG88 i had) ... that is normal and it is the limitation of most digital tecnonogies, but the fizz has a different nature and needs to be fixed.

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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:41 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:
I think fender missed the mark here with the new mustang V.2 and i would not buy one because the upgrades do not do justice for me,by adding a few stompbox and amp models are not enough for me to but one over my mustang I and V amps.

Fender should have combined features from the discontinued G-DEC 3 into their new mustang V.2,the SD card slot and the phrase and also backing tracks would have made the V.2 a killer modeling and jam amp along with the added stompbox and amp models.

The new mustang V.2 I and II amps could have had the G-DEC features built into fuse software for all the phrase loops and backing tracks and the V.2 mustang III-V would also have these features available on the LCD display,i also almost forgot to mention that the looper with overdub could have been also added into the new mustang V.2.

I would say a $50 increase could have been added to the new mustang V.2 if these amps had the added G-DEC 3 features,i know if fender put in all the features that i mentioned in their new mustang V.2 that i would most likely buy one.
One suspects Fender is not done with the beloved G-DEC series and may be bringing a new version of it this year or next. They're not likely motivated to giving away its unique features in a different line of amps.

The rushed-to-market and hardly a new rev of the line V.2s are about one thing and one thing only: fixing the fizz. All the rest is window dressing.


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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:45 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:
I think fender missed the mark here with the new mustang V.2 and i would not buy one because the upgrades do not do justice for me,by adding a few stompbox and amp models are not enough for me to but one over my mustang I and V amps.

Fender should have combined features from the discontinued G-DEC 3 into their new mustang V.2,the SD card slot and the phrase and also backing tracks would have made the V.2 a killer modeling and jam amp along with the added stompbox and amp models.

The new mustang V.2 I and II amps could have had the G-DEC features built into fuse software for all the phrase loops and backing tracks and the V.2 mustang III-V would also have these features available on the LCD display,i also almost forgot to mention that the looper with overdub could have been also added into the new mustang V.2.

I would say a $50 increase could have been added to the new mustang V.2 if these amps had the added G-DEC 3 features,i know if fender put in all the features that i mentioned in their new mustang V.2 that i would most likely buy one.
One suspects Fender is not done with the beloved G-DEC series and may be bringing a new version of it this year or next. They're not likely motivated to giving away its unique features in a different line of amps.

The rushed-to-market and hardly a new rev of the line V.2s are about one thing and one thing only: fixing the fizz. All the rest is window dressing.


+1

Will wait for V3 before I consider buying another of this things :)


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Post subject: Re: V2 versus V1
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:12 pm
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I do realize what you guys said about fender not combining the unique features in their different line of amps but what do you think about what i said in my previous post that the mustang V.2 would be much better if it had some of the features from the G-DEC 3 combined into it?


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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:03 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
That is a good summary.

I would add that in general people like more the aesthetic finish of V1 vs V2 in case that is important.

The absence of fizz has not been confirmed or denied so far AFAIK so any guess is good so far.

Why is it 330$ instead of 300$ as the good old V1 used to be?


I would venture to guess that the V2 costs more than the V1 simply because there are still brand new V1s available for sale. Rather than clearancing the V1s below cost, or even taking a cut in profit; Fender can sell the V2s at a slight price premium until all the New Old Stock V1s are sold. Then, if sales of the V2 are strong, they will continue to sell them at a premium or, if sales aren't up to projection, they will lower the price of the V2s to where the old V1s sold at.

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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 7:16 pm
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DetroitBlues wrote:
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I guess I'm a rather simple user. I have stomp boxes already for my effects. I have only one tube amp I use for recordings and stage use. I don't really need 400+ amp, cab, and effects in a little box. I just need a grab and go amp for band practice and at home use. My band is not super loud (I'm a blues guitarist, not a heavy metal shred head). Basically, Bassman circuit with a little Reverb and Tremolo. I need nothing else... So am I better off just buying a Fender Mustang II V1 instead of wasting money on anything else?


.... that's exactly, what I want. By the way, does the mustang take pedals as well as a *normal* tubeamp this way?

... OK, back to toppic - I don't have a v1, but I've been near to buy one. I was afraid about the fizz and so I was happy to hear about the comming of a v2 ... now I have to wait.
I don't like the look and feel of the VIP. The Mustang looks more like a real amp and the Vypyr more like Batmans amp.



I heard the fizz isn't on the I or II, just the III mustangs...


Mac-Knife and Detroit Blues, it sounds like you guys should skip the Mustang amps altogether and snatch a Mustang Floor to plug into your existing tube amps. Best of both worlds there. The Floor has no fizz issues and costs the same as a Mustang II but has the nicer interface of the III, IV, and Vs plus a vol/exp pedal.

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