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Post subject: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:24 am
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If I want to use my (Line6)Pod X3-multieffect with my Mustang I, how I disable effects and get "clean", only amplified sound?

Manual doesn't say anything about that.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:16 am
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On a MI or M2 you need to use the FUSE software to edit the preset by either disabling or deleting the FX and then saving it.

The MII-V amps have a LCD screen on them that allows you to edit presets w/o FUSE but the MI/MII amps pretty much require FUSE to do any in-depth preset editing.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:07 am
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Raikku wrote:
If I want to use my (Line6)Pod X3-multieffect with my Mustang I, how I disable effects and get "clean", only amplified sound?

Manual doesn't say anything about that.


You can't. The Mustang (v.1) does not have a studio preamp mode like the V.2 and Floor units do, so you won't ever get a clean, unaltered guitar tone. There's an "EMPTY" preset floating around in the FUSE community that would work, but that's a glitch more than anything else and using it risks you glitching more than just the preset tone.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:25 pm
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As FFXIhealer pointed out, V1 amps do not have a studio preamp mode like the V2 amps (and Floor).

However, I followed jedi2b's advice in another thread and loaded the V2 preset "Studio Pre_V" by Fender into FUSE with my V1 amp disconnected and I wrote down all the values for the knobs.

If have a V1 amp and you load a V2 preset you are given an alert and after dismissing it, FUSE loads a substitution model for a given V2 amp model. In this case, if you load "Studio Pre_V", a V1 amp owner would be dumped to a '65 Twin Reverb model except the default values for that amp are loaded.

It just so happens that the Studio Preamp model and the '65 Twin Reverb have exactly the same number of knobs with exactly the same names...

So, I restarted FUSE with my amp connected so that it would default to writing V1 presets and created a new preset using the '65 Twin Reverb model and using the values I had previously written down. I also, and this is important, turned the cabinet simulation OFF.

A picture is worth a thousand words:

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Now I'm not saying this sounds exactly like "Studio Pre_V" - but it is pretty dang clean and very usable as a "preamp" IMO.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:17 pm
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Excellent point P90dude, I actually own a Mustang floor (with studio preamp) and did an A/B between you preset and the "real thing" and the only difference I could hear was a bit of gain. To make it sound identical I would say a gain of 7 in the studio preamp equals a gain of 3 in the twin 65.

I did not think of this before, but this preset will permit me use my M3 as a powered monitor too using the instrument input (previously I used the fx return for the same purpose, but using the instrument input has the added benefit that you can use the tonestack too)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I(v.1) and effect bypass?
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:19 pm
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Slightly a bit of thread hijacking but...

Looking at the tonestack values, you'll notice that they are all at 5 or right in the middle of their range. Since the majority of amp makers use a variation\bastardization of a baxandall tonestack it's not surprising that there wouldn't be a variation in frequency filtering on those two presets because, a funny thing about the baxandall tonestack is that, at those settings the tonestack should give a flat or uncolored response. The differences in tonestack designs usually only effect how well the controls work or in other words how they react to changes made going either way from " flat ".

The main differences in flavor between amps come from the sections on either side of the tonestack - in the gain stage (preamp) and the power amp.

It appears that Fender took the '65 Twin Reverb and used it for a basis for the Studio Preamp model and, for one thing, changed the range of the preamp limiting how much it could drive the power amp. Fender gives us V1 owners a wink and a nod by defaulting to the '65 Twin Reverb as the model when loading a preset based on V2 Studio Preamp.

What FUSE seems to be saying without saying anything to a V1 amp owner when they load a V2 preset is this:

"OK, here is a model that is close to the amp model you want to load. It's controls may not have the same range as the model you want to load but the flavoring is there and there is a lot of middle ground."

But, they don't set the controls of the default model they give you because that won't necessarily translate correctly.


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