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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:06 pm
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I love this attitude that we're in a court of law and posters must provide "proof" to the Imperial Be-wigged Judges above. What are we in some Monte Python skit or something? Get a life.

But mainly, get off your lazy asses and do some research. Read the thousands of posts relating to Fizzgate all over the web. I have, you haven't. Call Fender. I have, you haven't.

Or continue to bathe in the filth of your own ignorance. I could care less.


Looks like I touched a nerve... which is to have an opinion different than yours.

Don't worry 'bout me. Just go back to re-read the THOUSANDS of whining and moaning posts all over the Internet. That's EXACTLY the life I want to have! ;)

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:16 am
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
I love this attitude that we're in a court of law and posters must provide "proof" to the Imperial Be-wigged Judges above. What are we in some Monte Python skit or something? Get a life.

But mainly, get off your lazy asses and do some research. Read the thousands of posts relating to Fizzgate all over the web. I have, you haven't. Call Fender. I have, you haven't.

Or continue to bathe in the filth of your own ignorance. I could care less.

I've read all the same thousands of posts that you have. Thousands of posts about fizz does not equal thousands of people with amps with debilitating fizz.

I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving opinions, and I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving facts. But if you want to spout opinions as if they are facts, then yes, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise you are the one who sounds ignorant.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:44 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
Musicmaster2 wrote:
I love this attitude that we're in a court of law and posters must provide "proof" to the Imperial Be-wigged Judges above. What are we in some Monte Python skit or something? Get a life.

But mainly, get off your lazy asses and do some research. Read the thousands of posts relating to Fizzgate all over the web. I have, you haven't. Call Fender. I have, you haven't.

Or continue to bathe in the filth of your own ignorance. I could care less.

I've read all the same thousands of posts that you have. Thousands of posts about fizz does not equal thousands of people with amps with debilitating fizz.

I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving opinions, and I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving facts. But if you want to spout opinions as if they are facts, then yes, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise you are the one who sounds ignorant.


Debilitating? No, it didn't cause me to go blind or lame. It has to be "Debilitating" to be dissatisfied with an obvious and annoying problem?

If there hadn't been a lot of complaints and problems, Fender would have just replaced the bad ones on warranty and if there were really only a half dozen or so high profile "debilitated" players, Fender would have just refunded their money and reaped the customer service accolades. Instead, there were so many they stopped taking them in for warranty, had their lawyers come out with the "statement" and have been silent on the subject ever since.

If it weren't a big problem, that wouldn't have been necessary, and that's pretty much all the evidence I need. I've called Fender too. Their response was, they all do it, and too bad so sad. I might have tried another, but Fender wouldn't swap it out on warranty and fizz developed after the dealer return period. So I ate the loss and moved on.

Are you really saying anything less than debilitating is acceptable for a company that has prided itself on professional quality for more than half a century? Not exactly a ringing endorsement I'd say.

But suit yourself. I expect more than merely "not debilitating," but maybe that's just me. My MKIII went back and so did a lot of others. "Debilitating," whatever that means, no, but way less than acceptable.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:15 pm
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brucefulton wrote:
Are you really saying anything less than debilitating is acceptable for a company that has prided itself on professional quality for more than half a century?

Nooooo, Scorpaeon said:
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Thousands of posts about fizz does not equal thousands of people with amps with debilitating fizz.

There's a difference. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 4:06 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Read the hundreds of posts from guys who do have debilitating fizz and either call them liars or admit it was a serious problem.

Debilitating was not my word. My point is that the above quote uses a non-statistic and half of the truth to come off as factual evidence. I can just as easily say that hundreds of people have come forth and stated that fizz was not a serious problem. We are all entitled to our opinions. Opinions are just opinions. That's all I was trying to say.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 5:57 pm
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Scorpaeon wrote:
Musicmaster2 wrote:
Read the hundreds of posts from guys who do have debilitating fizz and either call them liars or admit it was a serious problem.

Debilitating was not my word. My point is that the above quote uses a non-statistic and half of the truth to come off as factual evidence. I can just as easily say that hundreds of people have come forth and stated that fizz was not a serious problem. We are all entitled to our opinions. Opinions are just opinions. That's all I was trying to say.


No conversation here can be statistically reliable since the data are Fender's and they aren't talking. I'd love to know what the numbers are, but the fact that Fender has lawyered up and isn't talking is sufficient evidence that this has been a significant problem, and the un-ending threads that continue to feature new entrants into the conversation are sufficient evidence that it continues to be a significant problem.

That is the smoking gun, and the fact that Fender lawyered up with their non-statement moves it well beyond mere opinion. It's a problem for Fender and a problem for potential Fender customers. The only opinion you have that is factual is that it's not a problem for you. Caveat emptor is all most people are saying. I don't know what the financial guys spreadsheeted, but it's hard to imagine that their posture really maximized profit. But maybe it did. I've never said not to buy one. All I've ever said is that you need to listen to the examples posted and be prepared that if you get one that is similar, Fender would not, at the time I posted the statements and as far as I know, now, replace your amp tit for tat on warranty. Make of that what you will.

Assuming that the current models fix the issue, I still am taken aback that it took them three years to slipstream the fix. If I really had believed that Fender would be that unresponsive to a clearly obvious flaw, I never would have bought one in the first place.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 6:24 pm
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brucefulton wrote:
the un-ending threads that continue to feature new entrants into the conversation are sufficient evidence that it continues to be a significant problem.


actually the single un-ending thread you speak of is currently buried 4 pages back. The conversation seems to have run dry. Maybe because less people are having problems now, maybe because the reputation of the amp line has been ruined and nobody cares because nobody is buying them, maybe because the same 4 or 5 people perpetuating the discussion have become bored and moved on.

Whatever the case, the constant reiteration of the same info over and over again is kind of like starting a new thread without first searching to see if the topic has already been discussed. That's bad forum etiquette.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:13 am
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I have definitive proof: six of six Mustang IIIs we purchased within the last two years had the fizz problem. All six went back. That's good enough for me. We have one left and that also has the fizz but it didn't materialize until a few months into it.

Scorpaeon wrote:
Musicmaster2 wrote:
I love this attitude that we're in a court of law and posters must provide "proof" to the Imperial Be-wigged Judges above. What are we in some Monte Python skit or something? Get a life.

But mainly, get off your lazy asses and do some research. Read the thousands of posts relating to Fizzgate all over the web. I have, you haven't. Call Fender. I have, you haven't.

Or continue to bathe in the filth of your own ignorance. I could care less.

I've read all the same thousands of posts that you have. Thousands of posts about fizz does not equal thousands of people with amps with debilitating fizz.

I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving opinions, and I appreciate anyone coming in here and giving facts. But if you want to spout opinions as if they are facts, then yes, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise you are the one who sounds ignorant.

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:29 am
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I just wish more people would put their recordings where their mouths are instead of pointing to videos posted years ago. I mean the term being thrown around is 'debilitating fizz' so that should be pretty easy to catch in a recording.

And to me the term 'debilitating' implies it is noticeable during regular use, not just if you crank up the bass, turn down the treble, and play a specific note on a specific fret on a specific string, or whatever the 'formula' is.

Anyone brave enough to post something from 2013?

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:33 am
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All that matters is that the problem is fixed with the MIII v2. It was a problem for sure. I don't think we need to waste everyone's time debating on a confirmed issue from two years ago.

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:36 am
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... and yet the debate rages on :lol: Oh well, at least it keeps things 'interesting' around here.

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:50 am
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jwoertz wrote:
I have definitive proof: six of six Mustang IIIs we purchased within the last two years had the fizz problem. All six went back. That's good enough for me. We have one left and that also has the fizz but it didn't materialize until a few months into it.


Did the fizz made your amp unusable? I've toured with a rented fizz-afflicted MIII and I didn't have any problem getting the sounds requested by the act from it and judging from the live recordings, from the one song that was only clean guitar and voice, it was simply not noticeable. You just needed to hear the music!

YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:38 am
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Usable live is one thing. Usable for recording cleans - no way. There's no debating that so please don't argue. Actually why are we even debating the Mustang fizz anyway? This topic is two years old at least and has been proven over and over again. The Mustang V2s will fix that, though (we hope)!

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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:25 pm
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LtKojak wrote:
jwoertz wrote:
I have definitive proof: six of six Mustang IIIs we purchased within the last two years had the fizz problem. All six went back. That's good enough for me. We have one left and that also has the fizz but it didn't materialize until a few months into it.


Did the fizz made your amp unusable? .


For my purposes, yes, it did.


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Post subject: Re: Is it going to be a v. 2 of the Mustang Floor?
Posted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:05 pm
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Fender TSL wrote:
Hi leosaya,

I see that you are reporting an issue with Windows 8 and your Fender Mustang Floor. Can you please contact us directly via the included email address. And please be sure to include your Forum name and real name as well as the version of Fender FUSE that you have installed. Also, please include as detailed an explanation as possible along with screen shots or error messages (if possible). We will be happy to assist from there. Thanks very much.


Do you also 'see', Fender, that you have not yet answered the main question in this topic, similarly with many of the other responses in this topic which do not focus on the initial question. Fender: I've seen it quoted before by other users and would like to reiterate, as a customer, even some sort of appropriate response is better than silence.

Forum users: replying to questions such as this which require answers from Fender themselves, with hypothetical answers such as 'maybe they might', 'probably not', 'you wouldn't think so' (or straying off topic) gives Fender forum staff complete room to not have to answer the question at all.

Sorry for the rant, however I am just trying to encourage a more constructive use of this forum (and yes, because I am going to go crazy if I buy a V1 and a V2 subsequently is released :? ).


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