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Post subject: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:01 am
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Just got my V2 in and hooked it up with my guitar en de Boss rc300 looper
to the fx return and send loop.

Now I have the following problem.

When I record a dry backing track on the looper and play this back via
the V2 and I use effects for an added solo, the dry sound of the Looper
is effected by the Mustang effects settings.

On the V1 the recorded sound play back via the fx loop would remain
unchained.

What did I do wrong? How can I solve this because this is not workable.


thanks in advance for feedback.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:15 pm
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what you describe is the behavior of the Mustang Floor effects loop. In the Mustang floor the effects loop is pre-everything something like:

-guitar input - effects loop - emulation - power amp

which is totally unusable for the reason you mention.

In the case of the mustang V1 it is something like

-guitar input - emulation - effects loop - power amp

which is useful for a looper or to use the mustang as a powered cabinet or to use the effects send as a line-out.

Did you check if in the util menu you have an option to put the effects loop after the effects?
Otherwise it is another hint that the V2 are just a mustang floor PCB stuffed inside a mustang cabinet
I hope I'm wrong or otherwise you will not be able to use the looper with your mustang anymore.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem.
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:41 pm
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Edited my previous reply.

Tks. for the quick reply.

I did not realize that by setting the effects in pre, my problem is
solved.

I assume this means if have to edit all presets to Ensure the effects are
pre instead of post?

The question is will this affect the overall sound of a preset?

Tks. very much for your tip.

Fender if there is an other solution please advise very much appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:36 pm
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mmm I deduce by what you said that the effects loop in the Mustang V2 is something like this:

guitar input -
pre amp effects -
amp emulation -
effects loop -
post amp emulation effects -
XLR outs -
power amp

the only problem with this, if that is true, is that many effects sound different in pre than post.
For example you normally would place a reverb,delay,tremolo post and not PRE as the tone would be different

another solution MIGHT be to put your looper between the XLR outs and the aux-in, but this requires experimentation because you might experience unwanted echo, saturation, etc as you are effectivelly putting your looper in parallel with the mustang


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:02 pm
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I/m still hoping for a solution from Fender, might be a option which is not
in the manual?
I agree that certain effects are better in post, but in my case all post effects
affect the looper dry sound, which I do not want.

So tomorrow I will do some further testing.

If I had knew this in advance, I most likely would have kept my V1.

Tks.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:40 am
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Hi polypenko,

We will be happy to assist. Unfortunately there is no real great solution here. Other than the suggestion already listed in this thread there are 3 options, each with some less desirable results. Please let us know if any of them works for you, and if we can assist further.

FxSend -> Looper -> FxReturn: Fender Mustang Floor post fx get applied to looper signal (undesirable)
FxSend -> Looper -> AuxIn: no post effects, no cabsims (looper signal doesn’t sound like original, parallel audio path might be undesirable)
LineOut -> Looper -> AuxIn: headphone/recording cabsim filters on LineOut (looper doesn’t sound like original unless amp model’s cabsim is turned off, parallel audio path might be undesirable).

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:13 am
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Tks. for this reply, so if I want my old situation back I will need to return this
Mustang 3 v2 and go back to a v1 model?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:15 pm
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Hi Fender TSL,

Based on your comments I deduce that the insertion points of the fx loop and other connections is as follows, could you please confirm my impressions?

guitar input - pre effects - amp emulation - fx send - fx return - post effects - XLR outs - cab sim - aux in - power amp

this is important information and is not part of the product documentation.

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III V2 with Boss Looper problem with post effect
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:12 am
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TSL, thanks for your reply but none of the three options is really advisable or
workalbe with a looper.
I seriously don't understand why Fender changed the position of the FX loop inserts.
The old situation on the V1 was perfect, the new V2 is not.
I will return my brand new Mustang 3 to the retailer, and now need to decide
if I want to go back to a V1 amp or choise a different set up entirely.
eg. a Fender 212r with loose Multi effects processor.
To ensure future V2 buyers do not run into this problem I would suggest you
make an amendment to the manual, highlighting this fact.
If I had known this in advance, I would not have sold my V1 amp. :(

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:29 am
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Hey Fender TSL,

It would be really cool if you can clarify this as in the past (v1) having the effects loop work they way it was was a major factor for many users moving from Mustang 2 to Mustang 3.

Taking the cabinet emulation out from the XLR outs make the xlr out use also questionable in most cases. In the V1 amps, the fx-send (used as a line-out) was a copy of what you have coming out of the speaker but it seems it is no longer the case.
I mean, why would anybody want the line-out to sound DIFFERENT from what they have coming out of their mustang speaker? Is not the idea behind the line-out to have something similar to micing the amp? If you can think on a use case for this please let me know.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:49 am
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My Mustang III V2 has been returned to the ratailer view the FX loop problems.

Would the Fender TSL please re-confirm that there is NO fix for the V2 to ensure the
FX Loop works equal to a V1. (for my looper purpose)

I do not want to buy a V1 and only to find out that a future firware update with solve
this problem.

Would also like to know why this was changed, because it does not seem to make
any sence.

Thanks
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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:36 am
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You would think that in 2013 all big corps. would know already that cutting communication with customers is BAD for business. Lately I was unable to get responses from Fender tech support even by private email. You may want to try calling them as a last resort but I'm not sure they will pick-up the phone at this point.

If you get too frustrated you may consider this:
http://www.peavey.com/news/index.cfm/id/714


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:34 am
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polypenko wrote:
My Mustang III V2 has been returned to the ratailer view the FX loop problems.

Would the Fender TSL please re-confirm that there is NO fix for the V2 to ensure the
FX Loop works equal to a V1. (for my looper purpose)

I do not want to buy a V1 and only to find out that a future firware update with solve
this problem.

Would also like to know why this was changed, because it does not seem to make
any sence.

Thanks
:(

polypenko - For V2, the effects loop was moved into the digital audio path to allow users to record via USB with external effects in the loop. Hardware constraints limited where we could place the loop in the audio path, and these constraints make it unlikely that I'll change this position via a firmware update. Sorry that the resulting position isn't ideal for your looper application. Another option to consider is to run LineOuts->Looper->HousePA, and then optionally use your amplifier volume to monitor your "live" sound. Hope this helps! -Ben


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:37 am
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Hi jedi2b,

We would be happy to assist you. Recently we have received a large amounts of emails. We answer all emails in the order they where received. If you have an urgent matter, we will be happy to offer phone support. We are here Monday through Friday between 8:00am - 5:00pm MST. If you where unable to get through to the Tech Support Lab, we recommend you talk to Consumer Relations and have them take down your information, so we can contact you asap. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 V2 / BIG problem with looper in FX Loop
Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 9:48 am
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Ben, thanks for your reply.

Your suggestion is regretfully not workable in my situation, if only I had
know in advance.

I was under the impression the V2 model had enhanced features, but never
thought the FX Loop would be altered in such away.

Rgds.

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