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Post subject: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:11 pm
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Sorry, I know you might wanted this to come from Fender but you will have to make do with just me.

I created these basic equivalents from the added amps on V2 version for those of you who would like to have something similar in your good old v1 amps.

For this I used Amplitube models running some representative loops from a looper and going through a Mustang 3 FX-return to make sure speaker differences will not create tone differences, and did quick switches of the same loop going through the mustang instrument input while doing adjustments. These tones are as close to the amplitube ones as my ears can perceive.

Oh, and while at it, I got also 3 extra amp tones that I find more useful than the ones included in V2.

If you have any suggestion of improvement please let me know and I could try to create improved versions.

Quick overview of the presets:
HiWatt DR103: The preset emulates an amp with gain 6/10, master 5/10 and all tonestack at 5/10

Orange OR 50: Given that presets for Tinyterror, Darkterror and Orange AD are already in fuse I added this that is slightly different. The preset emulates an amp with Bass and Treble at 6/10 and gain at 5/10 (F.A.C at 1 and HF. Drive 2.4/10)

Silvertone 1484: Cheap sounding but faithful to the original :) I have no clue why they included this one. The preset emulates an amp with gain 5/10, and all tonestack at 5/10. The original reverb is so bad quality and washed out that i did not find anything similar.

And here are my 3 add ons:
Roland JC-120: One of my preferred presets for ballads, you will recognize the sound from some Metallica ballads maybe. One of the best solid state amps ever created IMO. The flanger in the preset emulates the chorus on the original amp as it sound really similar. The preset emulates an amp with gain 4/10, and all tonestack at 5/10 with `distortion' at 0/10

Mesa-Boogie MK3 clean channel: original mesa clean tone, kind of a Bassman spiced up a bit and a bit warmer. The preset emulates an amp with gain 4.5/10, and all tonestack at 4.5/10. Presence 4.5, Master 6, 'deep' switch engaged, flat EQ.

Fender Vibroverb 64 Custom: How's that for a name! According to the amplitube description: "A hand-wired reissue specifically based on Stevie Ray Vaughan's original Vibroverb, as modifed by "Amp Doctor" Cesar Diaz." Strange thing is that it DOES sound like Texas tone out of the box. The preset emulates the amp with Treble 4.5, Bass 6, Volume 6, "Bright" switch off and "MOD" switch activated.

I hope you enjoy these presets.

EDIT: I just uploaded the 6 presets to FUSE one by one


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:57 pm
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Hey Fender,

I did a quick market research for you and for free :)

after 60 views of this post, some of the people downloaded the presets I posted, take a look at the numbers to see what people would like to see in their amps:

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I would suggest more tweed/blackface and high gain...


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:56 pm
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Great job. I barely use other presets, but your efforts and generosity is a joy to behold. I know other will use and enjoy what you have done here.

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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:46 am
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I salute Sir!

This is a perfect example of making the best of what you have and getting creative with it.

Most excellent!

I sold my JC120 a few years back to finance mods to my '68 Traynor YBA-2b (6v6's) and picked up my MII with what was left over. Can't wait to give that model a try.

Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:42 am
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Here's an idea for anyone up for it...

Create V1 emulations of the Fender V2 presets.

Example:

  • Downlaod Fender's "BritishWatts" and jedi2b's "HiWatt DR103" presets.
  • In FUSE, load the "BritishWatts" preset - it will give an alert, press OK and then SAVE the preset (this will over write the preset so you won't get an Alert the next time you load it).
  • Create a NEW preset and name it "BritishWatts for V1". Press IMPORT and import the amp only from "HiWatt DR103". Press IMPORT again and import the FX only from "BritishWatts".
  • Tweak to taste and SAVE.

Now it obviously isn't going to sound exactly like the V2 preset and if the V2 preset uses a stomp that isn't in the V1 your SOL but it should get you close enough for horseshoes and hand grenades.

I would do it but I don't access the internet with my audio computer so I can't upload presets to the community.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:34 am
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Excellent work jedi2b, I find a lot of the user created presets are far superior to what's built-in anyway, so can't wait to try these out. It's interesting that the Silvertone preset had more downloads than the clean Mesa. Maybe the curiosity factor?

p90sdude wrote:
I would do it but I don't access the internet with my audio computer so I can't upload presets to the community.


If you had the desire, you could copy the presets to removable media and upload them using a different computer.

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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:51 am
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thanks for the compliments guys,

actually what P90dude suggest is a great idea and probably can be done in a bit easier and more direct way. I'm pretty sure the "new" emulations introduced by fender are not really so new, I think for example that the Hiwatt emulation is just a tweaked reuse of the existing brit80's emulation (look at the controls... they look EXACTLY the same, even to the point that the original Hiwatt amp included a hi-freq gain that is not part of the fender hiwatt emulation...probably because it does not exist in british80 either... coincidence? :)
-same thing happens with twin57 and bassman, orange and ssonic, silver tone and plexi

-disconnect you amp from your pc
-open fuse software
-download the incompatible V2 preset, with no amp connected fuse will not complain and will show you the preset with the original settings and emulations
-take note of the gain, master, presence and tonestack settings, in the case of the PigscanFly they are gain 6, treble 7, mid 7, bass 7, presence 5.5, master 10
-in fuse, replace the hiwatt emulation by the british 80's emulation
-following my first post in this thread try to figure out the equivalent settings for this preset: for example in my post I say that Hiwatt bass 5 = Brit80 bass 2, so in the case of PigscanFly, as the original bass setting is 7, the brit80s bass setting should be around 4
-follow the same procedure with the other settings, you will get something like: Gain 8, Treble 7, Mid 7, Bass 4, Presence 3, Master 10
-I will not go into details with the effects as I'm not an effects guy (I will leave that to somebody else), but you should follow the same procedure, in this case replace the incompatible big fuzz by the fuzz stomp, and lower the bass and gain a bit
-save the new preset as PigscanFlyV1, reconnect you amp and enjoy

Now Fender could do all this automatically in fuse (read my rant in a different post) but MAYBE they don't do it so it is not so evident the new amp emulations are just tweaked old-emulations. But don't pay to much attention to my paranoid complot theories.

P.S. on the effects department I'm pretty sure you can replace the tubescreamer with a tweaked overdrive stomp as I posted a long time ago. The booster can be done also with the overdrive as SRV discovered many years ago, just lowering the gain to minimum on the overdrive.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:07 am
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I tried out the JC120 preset jedi2b and I have to say it is pretty dang spot on except... the built-in distortion on a real JC120 is pure suck. So, your preset actually sounds better. :lol:

jedi2b wrote:
Now Fender could do all this automatically in fuse (read my rant in a different post) but MAYBE they don't do it so it is not so evident the new amp emulations are just tweaked old-emulations. But don't pay to much attention to my paranoid complot theories.


I am beginning to come around to that conclusion myself. Even the "Stereo Preamp" is probably just a tweak of the '65 Twin Reverb with the cab simulation off. The pitch shifting would require the new chip but other FX, as you say, are probably reworked versions of existing effects.

So, you may not be getting as much from the new V2 amps as might appear at first glance.

I think the most important thing about the V2 amps is the improved power transformer that (hopefully) solves the FIZZ problem in the III-V models - but that's not something that can be mentioned in a marketing statement.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:26 am
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what I think they did was actually take the DSP from the floor (that includes already all the wah, pitch shifter and similar stuff, and also the studio preamp) and stuff it into the mustang cabinet.
then polish the firmware to make it shine a bit, included the tweaked models, but nothing new.

Regarding the fizz thing, yesterday I opened up my mustang 3 and discovered that the power supply AND power amplifier are in a single board. There is a single connection to the DSP-pre-amp board (a flat ribbon connector) and the connection to the speaker itself. So if in the future somebody can get a replacement board it would take a screwdriver and 20 minutes to do the change and the fizz should be gone forever.

Problem is, I have no idea how to order or where fender parts for these amps. I do have a picture of the PCB name in case anybody knows where to order.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:47 am
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Just uploaded my adaptation of pigscanfly V1 preset to fuse in case somebody wants to check it out.
I personally have no use for this as I am more of a blues guy but anywho... if it makes somebody happy why not.

https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... scanfly-v1

If anybody has any other V2-only preset in mind that would like to have in it's V1 amp I could give it a try.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:06 pm
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jed, you've exposed something I suspected from the beginning. Fender needed to fix the fizz issue with a new series asap, yet their conundrum was they couldn't admit it for liability reasons. So they needed a cover, new features, new models, new chip. The new chip is normal, videogame consoles are always shrinking and improving chips for the same performance level. Cheaper to produce.

Thus we have the Trojan Horse V.2. It LOOKS like a new model with the new graphics, models, EFX and chip (and crappy tolex).

But after dark, what sneaks out the trap door butt of the giant horse when no one's looking?

The Fizz Fix.

All the rest is cosmetic smokescreen designed to distract from the whole point of V.2. The "new models" are just meaningless rehashes built off of existing models that you could twiddle yourself in Fuse. The new EFX are ok, but not something folks were clamoring for.

Look at that ludicrously tortured phrase "new low-noise power amp platform". Wink wink, nudge nudge. Can't say "fizz", the lawyers will kill us.

Bottom line, if you don't have fizz or it's not a problem for you, V.2 is a sketchy proposition.


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:23 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Fender needed to fix the fizz issue with a new series asap, yet their conundrum was they couldn't admit it for liability reasons. So they needed a cover, new features, new models, new chip.


Sounds legit.

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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:59 pm
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Nice self-portrait! Taken with your iPhony?


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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:40 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
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I gave you fair warning on the trolling. Sorry.
That's why I put that "Strings" guy on my ignore list.
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+1!

What's that now? I thought I was on your 'ignore list', did you have a change of heart? :|

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Post subject: Re: V2 amp emulation equivalents for V1 owners HERE!
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:33 pm
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jedi2b
Do you know how to get as close as possible sound to a Fender Bandmaster piggyback amp 60's?

I have a must. floor,

I ask you because your downloads have been awesome, (when fuse was working!)

The Fender Bandmaster piggyback amp 60's is an amp I always was in love with in my youth but never had one (looks & sound)
thanks in advance! :)


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