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Post subject: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:59 am
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I discovered yesterday that Fender created a quarantine zone for V1 owners on the fuse presets site. Thanks you for making me feel rejected.

As a final gift, V1 owners can still download new presets, with some "caveats", for example if you download the preset called "Pigs can Fly" and try to install it on your mustang ,it will tell you that for compatibility reasons:
-the stomp pedal was deactivated and
-the amplifier model was changed rfom british watts to british 80's WITH DEFAULT SETTINGS!

AS a result "Pigs can Fly" sounds more like "Horses can Fart".

Why do Fender hate us so much? Is that something we said?


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:46 am
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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:55 am
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I don't use FUSE to download presets, I use my web browser, so I don't know about any "quarantine zone". All the old V1 presets are still there. I don't know what your PO'd about.

Yes, if you download a V2 preset and open it in FUSE and you have a V1 amp, FUSE "punts and gives you an approximation of the preset as best it can.

What's it supposed to do - crash?

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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:07 am
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Please correct me if I'm wrong: the whole idea of importing a preset is to reuse somebody else's tone and settings.

So you go and search by title or because you got a reference from somebody, select a preset and download.

Now when you try to use the preset you discover some stomps and effects are not there anymore and the amp emulation has been replaced by another amp, with DEFAULT SETTINGS. I mean, a classic rock setting made with an orange emulation will be replaced by a cranked up heavy metal amp with default settings. nice huh?

Obviuously the people designing this software never got a guitar in it's hands.

They could have:
-make the preset not available to v1 owners
-or optionally if they felt like doing a better job, provide with some sort best-effort setting equivalence one amp model to the other

instead they choose the half baked solution to please the marketing dept.


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:01 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Why do Fender hate us so much? Is that something we said?

They don't hate us at all, in fact they love us and need us! That's why they keep teasing us with a less-than-perfect product, so we'll always be back for something a little better (but not quite perfect because then we might leave them).

Fender doesn't want to be abandoned. I tend to think of the company as a psycho, co-dependent, girlfriend.


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:04 pm
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I don't think you have looked into this as closely as you should.

From what I have gathered by examining a dozen or so of the new V2 presets uploaded by fender is this:

  • If the preset uses any of the old amps found on the V1 and only uses the FX also available on the V1 - It will be 100% compatible on a V1 amp and you'll get no "Alert" dialog. EVEN IF IT WAS MADE ON A V2 AMP.
  • If the preset uses any of the new amp models only found on the V2 amps - It will make a substitution: if it uses the "Stereo Preamp" - you get a Twin Reverb, if it uses "60's Thrift" - you get a '57 Champ etc.
  • If the preset uses any of the new FX, it simply removes that effect.
What more can they do?

If you find that the preset is unusable as is - modify it so that it is. OR, just delete it and be done with it.

What's the big deal?

FUSE still works. Your amp still has all the functionality it had when you bought it. Your not losing anything.

Unless you just have V2 envy, I don't get it.


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:31 pm
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Let me explain myself better. I love my Mustang 3 and will not be changing it by any V2 model anytime soon as I do not see a benefit to it in my case. If I felt otherwise I would sell mine and pay the 150$ difference for a new M3v2 and be done with it.

What I'm complaining about is, that as time goes by, and more people start to buy v2 amps, and upload presets to fuse site, the fuse site will be more and more useless to me, as increasingly most presets will have one or more pieces of emulation that my amp does not support, and downloading those presewts will get me nothing close to what the original user sharing the preset intended.
If at least fender indicated on the fuse site (or inside the browser on the fusee application) which amp amulation and presets are included in a preset so I can at least avoid those that would be a step in the right direction.
If as I said, they want to go beyond and provide with a replacement for the amps and effects that gets me closer to the original tone that would be even better (this is not as difficult as it sounds as I will try to demonstrate in a future post)

But as is now, it only discourages me of using the preset exchange functionnality, as I think will be the case of other users over time.


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 12:36 pm
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The Fender Defenders vs. the Fender Offended.

Now THAT'S entertainment!


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:00 pm
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cormorant wrote:
The Fender Defenders vs. the Fender Offended.

Now THAT'S entertainment!


It's how the Matrix works and stays self-policing. Like a virus, in gets other cells to replicate and act against themselves.

Entertainment, indeed.

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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:01 pm
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"Fender Defender"? Please...

I just don't see the point in finding things to be dissatisfied with or worrying about things that I have no control over. Simply put, I make the most of what I have available to me and adapt to the changes as they come if I can.

Some might call that "improvisation".


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:17 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
If at least fender indicated on the fuse site (or inside the browser on the fusee application) which amp amulation and presets are included in a preset so I can at least avoid those that would be a step in the right direction.

I see your point here. It's another minor annoyance of FUSE.

Fuse is great but lets face it, there's a long list of minor annoyances holding it back from reaching its full potential. Fender is in too deep with the current software design to turn back at this point. One day they may completely redesign the hardware and we will get a redesigned and hopefully better quality software package. Untill then, expect to continue to get "workarounds".


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:09 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Fender created a quarantine zone for V1 owners on the fuse presets site

I'm a little confused by the complaint now. If you were in a 'quarantine zone' you'd be separate from the other zone. But then you're complaining that the V2 presets are not separate from v1.....

jedi2b wrote:
....as time goes by, and more people start to buy v2 amps, and upload presets to fuse site, the fuse site will be more and more useless to me, as increasingly most presets will have one or more pieces of emulation that my amp does not support


does not compute.

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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:17 pm
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since yesterday I discovered how to filter out presets that use V2-only settings. You have to go to the Mustang V1 corner, and make sure to select "this device only" presets. V2 presets will not show up. anyhow, now that I know how to convert presets is not a problem anymore.


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Post subject: Re: new gift to v1 owners
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:03 pm
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What Fender told me was, as I reported earlier, that when there were V.2 presets on FUSE, they would basically make substitutions for any elements that weren't there in the V.1 hardware/firmware, if possible. Of course, we all know they could have simply provided V.1ers with the new models and EFX in the first place.


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