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Post subject: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:04 pm
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So I have been playing for 20 years and have just stumbled upon looper pedals. I'm going to purchase the Digitech Jamman Solo XT. Here's my equipment: Mustang 1, Guitar, and in about 2 hours a Jamman Solo XT looper pedal.

So where do I put the looper in the chain? I love the presets I have loaded onto my Mustang 1 and want to switch between them to lay down loops and overdub those loops. I have the 1 button footswitch so I can alternate between two presets.

The problem is if I do Guitar>Looper>Mustang 1, then my sound coming out of the amp will be whatever the preset I am in. If I lay down a clean rhythm, then switch to something distorted through the amp, then the clean rhythm will automatically become distorted.

Here's what I am thinking so I can use the Mustang 1 to get the tones I want without it affecting all overdubs:

Get a second amp. Run Guitar>Mustang 1>Looper (via the headphone jack)>second amp. This way I could change the preset on the Mustang without affecting the loop that I just layed down. Question is, will the headphone Jack provide enough output? My headphones can sure get loud, but that's different. I am just playing for myself and at times a few other people so it doesn't need to be super loud.

I have also wondered about connecting the 1/8" headphone jack to a stereo to provide the sound. Thoughts? Ideas?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:47 pm
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Well, if you feel like spending a bit more... the mustang 3 has a fx-loop that is post emulation, so is the perfect spot for a looper.

Going back to your scenario:
The only possible issue I see with using the phones out as input for the looper will be the impedance mimatch: the phones out has an impedance of 20-30 ohms and the looper input maybe around 5k to 10k ohms. this will not damage either the looper or the mustang but you are going to need possibly to run the mustang at high volume because of the mismatch, hopefully the mustang volume will be enough to drive correctly the looper but you need to try to really know.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:16 am
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I agree wtih jedi2b - if you're going to get a second amp, get one with an fx loop (eg Mustang 3 or 4 - although note M-4 is s stereo loop). Then you can put your looper pedal in the fx loop (nb two completely different meanings of the word 'loop' here!) and do everything with just the one amp. Other topics cover using a looper pedal in the amp's fx-loop in more detail so I won't repeat that here.

Or a different approach: rather than buying a second amp, buy something like a Mustang Floor. Connect guitar to M-Floor, connect M-Floor output to looper-pedal input, connect looper-pedal output to your existing amp input.

You'd want to run your amp quite 'clean' in this scenario (maybe just a bit of reverb, etc). The advantage of using something like the M-Floor rather than a second amp is that you get lots of footswitch control, an expression pedal, etc. Just an idea...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:20 am
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You could instead use a laptop running something like Guitar Rig, that does looper functions and all sorts of great amp modeling and effects. Use the laptop as the modeler, effects boxes and looper, connect into the mustang running clean.

Another solution is to get a simple power amp like a Frontman 25R rather than another Mustang. Cheap, basic, louder than a Mustang 1. Worthless in overdrive, but you'd do all that in the Mustang that would provide modeling and effects and sit in front of the looper.

Or you could get something like an all-in-one effects pedal. That would give you volume pedal, Wah, modeling, effects and run that into the looper, and the looper into the Mustang in clean mode. I've set up a Vox Tonelab so the preset sequence of the Tonelab matches my core Mustang presets, so say preset 2 is a clean Bassman, 3 is clean Twin, 4 is Vox, 5 is Marshall, etc. Many of the new pedals have quite good amp models, and if you get well-acquainted with them, leaving the effects aside initially, you can work it well with the Mustang. There's a new Vox Stomplab IIG pedal that sounds good and costs under a hundred dollars.

I think it's fair to say that great as the Mustangs are, the effects section is rather basic, so in time you will likely be looking at either the laptop or the external pedal scenario to provide more variety.

In ANY case you're going to have to do some homework and spend some money.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:27 am
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Thanks for all the great information. So I don't think I will be going the headphones route. It seems like the output may not be up to snuff and I'd hate to spend the money and not be satisfied.

So...Can I put the Mustang Floor in front of the looper and then into my Mustang 1? I'm about 2 weeks out of my return time for the Mustang 1 so I'm not sure if they'll break that rule at GC.

If they would be willing to take my Mustang 1 should I get a Frontman 25? I don't want to spend more than $300 total for the amp/effects. I like the Mustang floor because there are lots of hands free options.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:06 am
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Can I put the Mustang Floor in front of the looper and then into my Mustang 1?

Yes! Exactly what I suggested two replies back. This is the way I'd do it. (The Frontman is also valid, but it might be nice to keep the Mustang for those occasions you just want a one-box solution, you can do more with it than with the Frontman).


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:25 am
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possibly the best bang for your buck in a setup like this would be to buy a powered monitor (that you can use for more than your guitar, and a mustang floor for 175$ if you can find it at that price

You can connect your floor at home to your powered monitor, and connect the floor to any other PA when playing overseas :)

The other advantage of a powered monitor vs any cheap guitar amp is that you can use it for backing tracks (particularly useful with the looper), that normally would sound awful through most guitar amps. You can get some very decent powered monitors for around 150$ for home use.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:04 am
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Can I put the Mustang Floor in front of the looper and then into my Mustang 1?

Yes! Exactly what I suggested two replies back. This is the way I'd do it. (The Frontman is also valid, but it might be nice to keep the Mustang for those occasions you just want a one-box solution, you can do more with it than with the Frontman).



Thanks. I saw the suggestion but wanted to clarify that the Mustang Floor will actually work with the Mustang 1. I've read that the Mustang Floor has issues working with the Mustang amps when plugged in directly. I'll try it in the store to be sure. I want to keep the mustang 1 because I have all of my presets dialed in how I want them.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:10 am
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if you are going from the mustang floor unbalanced output to the mustang 1-2 instrument input just be sure not to saturate the M1-2 input or it will sound bad.
A good starting point would be to set the mustang floor at about 25% volume up to 50%.

I'm not aware of any other possible issues.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:36 pm
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I understand your Fender allegiance, but for the money, maybe check out that $89 Vox Stomplab IIG (and maybe some others) vs. the more expensive Mustang Floor. Sometimes having different sounding pieces you can rotate is very useful. Ideally you would take your time and develop a sense of what works best for you before locking yourself in with specific gear.

And people often reject a laptop-based setup forgetting you can use an old one to dedicate to the effects/looper task, or buy one cheaper than a pedal.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:03 pm
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So, if I get a chance to head over to my local GC this weekend how should I set this up? My thinking is I can go as follows:

Guitar>Input to Mustang Floor (MF)>FX Sent>Looper Input>FX Return>Headphones

I always try it with headphones since I have 3 young kids and 90% of my playing is through headphones.

Second setup to try would be instead of going through headphones, then do Unbalanced out>Mustang 1 I/4 input

I set the Mustang 1 to a clean amp model with no effects.

Third setup would be
Headphones>Mustang 1 Aux.

Fourth would be
Unbalanced out>1/4" to 1/8" adapter>Mustang 1 Aux.

By the way, the Mustang Floor is on clearance at my local GC for $159. Just called today.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:28 pm
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Hi Guys,

Just chiming in here to clarify that the Fender Mustang Floor works with the Fender Mustang III-V amps in the same manner as it would work with any other guitar amp. That is to say that it can be connected to the instrument input, or perhaps more ideally depending upon your needs to a power amp input or effects return. Also, Mustang Presets from a Mustang I can be saved and loaded into a Mustang III. Hopefully this information is helpful. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:47 am
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Fender TSL wrote:
Hi Guys,

Just chiming in here to clarify that the Fender Mustang Floor works with the Fender Mustang III-V amps in the same manner as it would work with any other guitar amp. That is to say that it can be connected to the instrument input, or perhaps more ideally depending upon your needs to a power amp input or effects return. Also, Mustang Presets from a Mustang I can be saved and loaded into a Mustang III. Hopefully this information is helpful. Please let us know if we can assist further.


Perfect person to ask! I appreciate the info on the Mustang III, but I'd prefer to stick with the Mustang I. I don't gig anymore (and probably won't for at least another 10 years when my kids will be older) so I don't need anything louder than the Mustang I. So in your humble opinion Mr. Fender Staff Dude, how should I connect a Looper Pedal into this chain?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:30 pm
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Hi mhayden37,

We are happy to assist. With the Fender Mustang I, you will want to run the looper or other external hardware effects in-line on input. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang 1 with Looper Pedal problems?
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:39 pm
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So I used the 1/8" input from the Mustang Floor to the Mustang 1 with a Looper Pedal in the middle. Just used a 1/4"-1/8" adapter. This works great and the sound is pretty close. Not exactly the same as the Mustang alone, but close enough.

As far as using the looper in the effects loop, well that was an easy fix. Just switch the mode on the Mustang Floor to "stomp box mode" and then make sure the "input" bay is lit up (first foot button on the left). Looper can be heard loud and clear then. Only issue I have with this is every new preset I use I have to switch the mode and hit the input foot button. Also as expected with using the looper in the effects loop, as I switch presets, the guitar tone on the loop also changes.


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