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Post subject: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:17 am
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Hey all, sorry if this has been answered before.

I'm considering getting a IV V2. But after thinking about it a little bit more, the added amps and effects of the V2 really don't interest me. I'd be happy with a IV V1 as long as there is no fizz.

So with that in mind, if the IV V1s don't suffer from fizz, I'll probably just grab a used one from GC and save some cash.

What do you think?


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:42 am
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The IV's can have the fizz, as well as the III's and V's. It's mostly an issue if you play clean, and even then primarily if you play with warm tones and let the low strings sustain. If you play jazz, you may want to think twice about getting a IV v.1. It's a soft but annoying digital anomaly.

No one knows for sure whether the v.2 is fizz-free. Speculation is that it probably is because of design changes, but we won't know for sure until they've been out for a while.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:02 am
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Thanks for the reply.

I don't play clean that often. Mostly 60's - 70's crunch and up to 80's metal such as Ozzy, VH, Priest, etc.

If the fizz isn't really an issue with OD tones then it might be best for me to grab a used IV from GC. I can always return it if I don't like it.

How well do the Mustangs take pedals in front of the amp? I use an MXR phase 90 and flanger up front.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:40 am
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My IV fizzed like a mad thing on cleans. :lol:

It did take pedals rather well as long as you didn't boost the input too hard - I usually ended up using a nice clean setting on the amp and using my pedals for overdrive and distortion, sounded much better than the modelled driven tones.

I'm going to try a V2 at some point, I think, as the actual tones from the bigger Mustangs were some of the best modelled amps (particularly on the Fender side) I've heard at any price, it was just the rest of the amp which let the side down a bit.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:52 pm
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Hi,

all M3-4-5 have the fizz, the only thing is if you care or not.

I would recommend, if possible, to bring your own guitar to do some testing at GC and play the cleanest style you normally would, then look for the fizz. Chances are you will either not hear it or will not care.

New version of the amp could be as full of surprises (not necessarilly pleasant ones) as the v1 amps: new hardware + new firmware. I mean maybe they don't have the fizz, but they have the fezz or the fozz, who knows. And if they do, good luck having fender correct it. They don't even bother to answer messages here anymore.

At least v1 are proven and tested so you know what you are getting... and most certainly for a discounted price.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:19 pm
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To add my 2 pence:

The Mustangs take pedals very well. I've used a Phase 90, MXR Modified OD, OCD, Blues Driver, Dyna Comp, and a Carbon copy in front- all with excellent results. The Carbon Copy, and a Boss Flanger worked well in the loop.

As someone else said, just don't blast the input of the amp with a huge level boost and you'll be fine. Same goes for ALL digi pre-amps- there's no tubes to drive, and digi clipping sounds like arse. I primarily use my MIII at low volume, so it has plenty of headroom to deal with any boost, but I try not to push it hard anyway. ( I have a tube amp to abuse that way, if I get the urge!)

I, too prefer to use my own dirt pedals rather than the onboard/modelled drive sounds. I'm also in the camp who either don't hear the "fizz" or are just not bothered by it. ( for a cheap amp that models THIS well, did we really expect it to be perfect? Great modelling and effects, excellent user interface, and a high end speaker- they had to keep it affordable somehow.) For the record, I play mostly with my strat- which has noisy single coils anyhow.

I'd say if GC has a used M IV at a price you like, give it a whirl. Especially if you don't care about the new models or effects. It's a great amp, and a heavily discounted price is always good! I got my III used, and it doesn't make any horrendous noises that I can't live with. And I LIKE cleans.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:19 pm
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Thanks again for all the input.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:23 pm
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My IV does not appear to have the fizz issue. I should count myself as lucky I suppose based on what others have posted. I have listened to sound files that others have posted and mine doesn't have noise as a trail off of notes. I do get some hissing depending on the preset that is selected... I don't know if that is normal or not. On the clean presets this does not present itself.

Excuse my ignorance but is it normal to have hissing on certain presets? I am a complete rooking as far as amps are concerned.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:21 pm
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first, the noise you hear is perfectly normal and will ahppen with most any guitar amp, particularly if you turn up the gain control, as you are simply amplifiyng noise at the input of the amp.

If you want to hear which would be the closest to fizz in your amp try the following:

On your guitar
-select your bridge pickup, preferably a humbucker in this case
-put guitar volume at 10 or max
-lower tone of the bridge pickup to 1 or min

On your M3-4-5
-Select preset 92 (basic deluxe 65)
-lower treble to minimum
-lower mid to minimum
-increase bass to maximum
-put master volume to around 2.5

Now, on your guitar, fret the 12th fret 6th string and gently pluck the the 6th string with the tip of two fingers, if you do it very hard it could mask the fizz, as the fizz is usually 3dB lower than the actual guitar sound

chances are, if you did not notice it so far, it will not bother you in the future, as is my case.


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:46 pm
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as an academic sidenote, for those of you that do have the fizz and do care about it, here are a few tips to avoid it or mask it:

-the fizz is an harmonic bloom at around 10x and 15x the fundamental frequency, and is about 6-10 db lower than the fundamental.

knowing this and the fact that the mustang speakers are no good above 4-5Khz, here are some simple measures to avoid or minimize the fizz, you may use one or several to achieve the desired result:
-lower the bass on your amp tonestack
-raise treble on your tonestack/tone on your guitar
-lower the gain in you amp emulation or guitar volume or use a lesser gain pickup
-add any subtle chorus/tape delay/reverb
-lower the amp emulation volume AND raise the master volume at the same time
-as a last resort, change the amp emulation model by other less bassy , as an example, I think is pretty much impossible to make the princeton fizz

hope this helps anyone with the fizz or someone wanting to benefit from the fact the V1 amps should be cheaper now :)


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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:35 pm
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Good info. Thanks again.

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Post subject: Re: Do the IVs suffer from the FIZZ?
Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm
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Appreciate the feedback. Thank you.


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