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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:14 pm
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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:41 pm
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I like the competition stripe but why didn't they keep the carbon fiber look? :(

Also, is the XLR output in Mono as well?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:11 pm
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It seems a bit rough in here about the Mustangs, but I gotta say - I just got a competitor's low-volume modeling amplifier, and within 10 minutes of playing I am getting a bit of cabinet rattle in addition to some unnatural distortion - on the "Clean" channel with the amp's master volume only at noon (not the "clean" model's master volume). From the posts around the web, these particular artifacts seem to be "within spec", but are way louder than the fizz. And this is on an amp that prides itself on being "low-volume"!

So perhaps you might think that the grass is greener elsewhere, but my experience has shown that it certainly isn't greener, and in some areas is worse. I even tried to tiptoe into tubes, but my two-month-old Greta stopped outputting sound yesterday. The tubes are glowing but nobody's home. Baby needs a new pair of tubes?

Having said all that, the Mustang V2 additions are interesting. For the amps, I might say "Hi" to the "British Watts" amp, and I'm genuinely curious to see if the "British Colour" amp keeps pace or even outshines the Micro Terror at very high gain/distortion.

Also, I don't own any actual green OD or orange distortion or black metal pedals. But I'm at least 3.14 times as curious about the "Big Fuzz" pedal - I've been trying to dial in an Ernie Isley "Who's That Lady" tone on my G-DEC 3. While I've gotten close (as close as I can without actually being Ernie Isley, that is), I haven't been able to nail it.

But look at it all this way - if you do get a V2, you'll at least have a backup in the V1, or even a possible stereo rig. If you already have a I, II ,or III, that's a stereo rig with amps and effects potentially for less than $600 USD total.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:28 am
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Frankly, Mustang models are rough estimates so the 5 new ones (including the "non-model") aren't going to be radically different from what we've already got. Probably sounds you can get yourself anyways on a V.1 with some tweaking. If I had fizz I'd upgrade but as it is...meh.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:21 am
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If the powersupply and DSP-chip is the same. Then it is just a rebranded Mustang v1 with xlr outputs with a firmware update.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:46 am
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Mustang I/II are basically the same. I wonder if they were no longer being supplied with the carbon fiber tolex and needed to change to the regular tolex so V. 2 came out.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:12 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
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What part of this confirms that Fender said the fizz problems were with the PS? Fender early on did some hoop jumping and replaced this and that when the fizz was first reported. But they have never said where the fizz originated, and if you go back and read the fizz thread, you'll see that the few early attempts to fix the fizz with selected parts replacement were unsuccessful. Fender no longer fixes or replaces anything to address fizz complaints. Fender later on told people they know what the problem was, but never told anyone the specifics, from what I can get from reading ALL the messages in the fizz thread and elsewhere. If it were a simple matter of a discrete parts replacement, there would be no story here.


No, you don't. But carry on.

You used the word 'Fizz' 7 times in 6 sentences. Not like anyone could miss that.

And now with three quotes in reply including yours, we have 21 instances, guaranteed to make sure this thread will pop up in any google search. Congratulations, you win the fizz propagation in a thread award!


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:41 pm
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Jedi2b,you said:I know how to tweak the overdrive stomp to sound like a TS-808.

Can you give me your overdrive stompbox settings that sound like the TS-808?

I assume you mean the overdrive stompbox in fuse?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:24 pm
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yup, I think the overdrive stomp is modelled after the TS except minor adjustements to tone and gain.

I did and A/B with a TS808 and found the equivalent preset.
Check my post here:
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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:57 pm
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You know what? I just noticed the black tolex. Fudge that. I'll yank the hardware out of the Mustang V v2 and swap it with my v1 head so it keeps the carbon fiber tolex to match my existing V412.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 12:13 am
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Wow, I missed that! You're right, the carbon fiber tolex is way hipper than the dumb ol' black. Even LESS reason to switch!


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:38 am
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Well, I was thinking a little this morning and I think we have been to fast to judge this this. We expected a much larger update and got dissapointed. The v1 version isn't that old yet, so what if they found out some hardware-problems like something with the DSP-chip, some preamp-IC, the powersupply or something like that which prevented fender to expand the v1 version? So they made a v2 with some newer parts, maybe a slightly higher clocked DSP or something like that and put in some new amps and effects just to make it feel more like a 2.0 rather than a rev B? If it was like that, they wouldn't admit it.

We shouldnt be to fast to judge before actual proper testing. Maybe they have fixed up the models a little, the last one was based on amplitube fender if I'm not wrong. Maybe they based the new one on a newer version or amplitube 3. We just have to wait and see.

And maybe we will get more amp-models in the future! The Fender Mustang is the only modeling-amp that would allow that. We choose the amps digitaly through a display, the others (vypyr, valvetronix, line6) switch amps with an analog button so new amps would be impossible for them.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:43 am
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plethora wrote:
It seems a bit rough in here about the Mustangs, but I gotta say - I just got a competitor's low-volume modeling amplifier, and within 10 minutes of playing I am getting a bit of cabinet rattle in addition to some unnatural distortion - on the "Clean" channel with the amp's master volume only at noon (not the "clean" model's master volume). From the posts around the web, these particular artifacts seem to be "within spec", but are way louder than the fizz. And this is on an amp that prides itself on being "low-volume"!


I think that's mostly why people are rough on the Mustangs - the sounds are surprisingly good for the price once you dig into the editing a bit, and really sound good even when compared to a lot of the much more expensive modelling solutions, so it's even more annoying when those nice tones are overlaid with fizzy nonsense. If the sounds were just average, I don't think people would be so annoyed.

If there wasn't the fizz issue, and there was some sort of EQ on board to tame the ultra high end a bit, I'd still be using one now as a portable one-box gigging rig, as my IV sounded absolutely superb when cranked up, which most modelling amps fail miserably at.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:52 am
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Instead of "meeeh, this is not what "I" wanted", we should try to think bright. Hope is what keep pushing men forward. Maybe this new 2.0 is more built for expanding, we don't know that yet, we haven't got that much information.

And if the fizz is fixed on 2.0, I'll forget about the only actual drawback with 1.0 (all amps there is have at least ONE drawback, some have bad cleans (peavey 6505), some have fizzy hi-gain, some have high noise (or broken noisegate like vypyr), etc) and buy a 2.0. The fender mustangs are REAAALLY cheap, they are a little cheaper than all the compitition (vypyr and the valvetronix and the line6). Especially for us in sweden because the dollar is almost half the price it was ten years ago (which makes american stuff really cheap .. that is .. almost everything! Swedens economy survived the economic crisis incredibly good)


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:21 am
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Sweetwater references a new "low-noise power amp platform." I wonder if that's a subtle acknowledgement that what everyone calls "fizz" has been dealt with.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/Mustang3V2/


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