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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:43 pm
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I bought a Mustang I for recording/Fuse/sound. I haven't been able to record on my Mustang I because 2 out of 3 computers would not recognize the amp. After talking to costumer service I still had no luck. I have no problem with Fuse but I have been hoping for more amps and effects to unlock. Besides the stock presets I have found a lot of user presets unusable. For a little over a hundred dollars the Mustang I was worth it but I wouldn't bother buying another if V.1 just became old news with no new firmware updates etc...

I'm assuming Fender has to keep their lips closed 'till NAMM but I'm hoping that remaining Mustang owners benefit from V.2.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:34 pm
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I wouldn't count on it. They need the new features to sell the new hardware. If they just gave them all away to the installed base, what's the pitch for V.2?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:51 pm
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I think I made my point pretty clear...

You have to keep a reason for old users to stick with the amp. Why not just wait for V.3 or V.4? I see no reason that Fender won't allow Mustang users to get the new sounds in Fuse.

I guess we'll see...


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:01 pm
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Fender doesn't have any incentive to make people stick with amps they already sold. Besides, models are quite different from presets. Fender may well claim the old amps don't have the memory capacity to hold the new amps and EFX.

Don't get me wrong--Fender SHOULD have designed in enough V.1 mem headroom to allow for these firmware upgrades. But the beancounters just want to sell new stuff. They could care less about the Fizzgate spilled milk or doing anything for existing users.

Now if there was some awesome new hardware they could pitch as a must-have feature, I think we'd have a shot. But as it is, the new models and EFX are about all the V.2s got going for them.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:26 am
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More idle speculation to while away the time until Fender makes an official announcement... :)

Multiple points of view here, all valid. They all make me think of one question: what is Fender's target market for a "V2" Mustang? That will be one of the main drivers for Fender's strategy. Are they aiming it at people who currently own another brand modelling amp; or are they just trying to ensure it has enough to entice first-time modelling-amp buyers to buy Fender rather than Peavey, etc? Or are they expecting all current Mustang owners to throw their amps away and buy the V2?

I suspect it's some combination of the first two, probably mostly the second. I don't think even a hardened bean-counter at Fender would expect much revenue from existing Mustang owners who upgrade, but I do think Fender cares at least a little bit about customer loyalty and not totally disillusioning existing customers. So my money's still on some, if not all, the firmware upgrades (new models, effects, etc) to become available to "V1" Mustang owners after some period of time. That's my optimism; my pessimism is I still doubt the fizz has been addressed.

Yes, it may well be a simple/cheap circuit change as a one-off, but remember it's all in custom chips on the Mustang, it's not just swapping one capacitor. The manufacturing and logistical costs of getting all that changed are probably surprisingly high and I suspect will have to wait for a whole new amp, not just this facelift. I will of course be happy to be proved wrong. But given, as others have noted, Fender will almost certainly say nothing on the matter, it will be hard to determine if the fizz has been fixed, as there's no audible difference between an amp with fixed-fizz and an amp that just hasn't started fizzing yet, at the point the test is done...


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:21 pm
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You're right about the custom chips, you don't go in and make any changes to them casually. They are what they are. But the most consistent thing we've heard from fizzed-out customers who actually talked to Fender techies was that Fender (unofficially of course, off the record) identified the problem in the power supply. Some, not all, of them were bad. Now that may be wrong, but that's what a number of customers heard straight from Fender. But even that may have been a cover story invented to save face if Fender wasn't able to pinpoint the issue.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:49 pm
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well THAT is something interesting and worth investigating.
If the problem is just the power supply module, and this can be verified, eventually replacing the whole module for a newer and improved one would be an easy fix for V1 owners.
Surely power supplies are going to be orderable for service I guess and they should not be expensive or difficult to replace.

I read somewhere the mustangs use switching power supplies which are possibly no different from a 20$ PC power supply.

Any way any of these claims can be traceable/confirmed first hand? did you see it in a post?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:08 pm
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Yes, a number of posts. Check that monster thread on the fizz in here. And I heard similar stories over on TGP. Some direct customer contact, some were told by their local repair shops that they had talked to Fender and that's what it was. But again, it is an apocryphal story, nobody with hard proof. But if it IS that, it would be an easy running change.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:17 pm
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the most consistent thing we've heard from fizzed-out customers who actually talked to Fender techies was that Fender (unofficially of course, off the record) identified the problem in the power supply

Hmmm, I've never seen anyone report that Fender confirmed the problem is with the power supply - I've only ever seen that posted as a user analysis/opinion*. Do you have a specific post you can reference for my education? Also, I've only seen one or two people claim first-hand to have had a direct response from Fender confirming that Fender know the cause of the fizz - all the rest that I've seen are second-hand reports, and Fender's only published statement on the matter definitely stops short of admitting it's a fault or that it's a specific thing with a known cause.

*fwiw my opinion differs, details of which I've posted on the fizz thread so won't bore people with again here, which is why I don't think it's a simple fix to introduce into a manufacturing line, even if the fix is conceptually simple


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:34 pm
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Sorry, have a life, can't devote half of it to tracking down old posts. Read the giant fizz thread, a lot of it is in there.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:43 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
Sorry, have a life, can't devote half of it to tracking down old posts. Read the giant fizz thread, a lot of it is in there.

I have read every one and have been one of the ones who have talked directly to fender. They have never said any such thing. If you don't have time, don't tell everyone else to read the thread. Some of us have. Consider yourself corrected.

Fender has never said what the problem is, on or off the record, only that they know what it is, off the record, and they consider it part of the Mustang package, on the record. They have steadfastly declined to say what the results of their analysis is. The theory that it is in the PS is speculation on the part of users who have observed that it is not apparent in the headphone or pre-out circuits. But since this is a design based on custom ASICS, there is no way, without support from Fender tech, to tell what the problem is.

Any supposition about whether the fizz artifact is present or absent in the new models is pure guesswork. We'll just have to wait and see.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:47 am
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- I hope for these models amongs the new five: Marshall JCM2000/TSL100 (or something similar more hi-gain marshall), ENGL Fireball (or something similar modern hi-gain).

- Improved marshall, 6505 and rectifier-models (make them angrier, more evil! I wanna feel like freddy krueger and pinhead combined while playing! Muhahahahahha! :twisted:)

- Fizz-free! (the clean is already perfect, I really think so - perfect. So make this fizz-free and this will be the best clean amp out there, because of the many clean or half-clean models)

- Some more cabs is always fun to play around with :)

- An at least 1-band eq, really nice for fine adjusting the cabs, scooping out some mud around 180-600 hz or adding some bite around 1-2 khz.

But just fizz-free, and a new metal amp is enough for me to buy a new one (so I can have the old one in the rehersal room and the new one at home in my home studio)

By the way, I have found out some new stuff with the fizz, the fizz gets lower with my computer off, so I throw a blanket on my computer and moved the amp away more from the pc.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:57 am
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Guess you missed this one, Bruce. And all the others as well. One of many posts across the net referencing the MIII power supply fix, chosen at random. Do your homework for once instead of lazily demanding others do it for you.

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Post subject: Re: 4 weeks without news from warranty repairs and...SURPRIS
PostPosted: 29 Jul 2011 17:52
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Well, Fender are still idiots for issue such a bullshit statement but I got a call today, the amp if finally ready and "fixed".

I've been playing it for the past 3 hours and the fizz is completely gone. I did my IT guy geek curious act and I found out the serial# on the speaker is not the same so they changed it, and the tech changed the power supply unit since he measured (his words) "unacceptable readings". He concluded by telling me that we should not be playing clean with the gain higher than 3 on any amp ... as if I would play clean with the gain on 10...

Anyway, it seems this problem is fixable and most certainly hardware. We will see in 3 months how it turns out and if the problem comes back.

My advice, take the plunge on the warranty repairs and harass them since it seems that's what it takes to get an answers. The tech has been calling Fender every day for the past two week asking for instructions and authorization on repairs.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:28 am
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This user (vassago66) subsequently reported on this forum that the fizz returned two weeks later and he sold the amp. So changing the power supply, or whatever repair was done, didn't solve it. That's a shame.
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=57294&p=721263#p721263

But let's not turn this topic into another fizz thread, far more fun to have friendly speculation about what good things might be in the new amps.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:10 am
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One day until namm! ;)

I'm really interested about what they have to say about the new mustang, also what they have to say about the vypyr 2 ('cause the last one is from 2008)


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