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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:35 am
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Fender Revamp Mustang Line V2

A new look and all the flexibility you've come to expect from a Fender® Mustang. The new Fender® Mustang V.2 amplifier series raises the standard for modern guitar versatility and muscle, including five new amp models, five new effects, intelligent pitch shifting and XLR stereo outputs in Mustang models III, IV and V.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:16 pm
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My 57 Twin must be a FUSE community download.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:36 pm
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mak1965 wrote:
With all the complaints? I am sure the fizz is fixed, BUT will Fender make good on existing owners to return the fizz boxes for a swap or discount on the V2's? That would be the best thing Fender can do. I mean if they gave some kind of incentive towards a V2, the public would be happy and Fender Mustang would have a much bigger following and Fender would sell these things on a much larger scale. If they did Something to rectify the fizz issue with the swap or something to that effect. The fender name would be as glorious as it should be. ! Hoping for a good outcome. :)



Assuming the fizz is resolved...

If they do give a discount it won't be much, otherwise everyone would say they have the fizz in order to get a cheap upgrade and Fender would take a bath. I would guess that maybe if you turn in a fizzer when you buy the new Mustang, they'll throw in a free guitar cable.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:51 pm
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Knowing Fender I'd say even THAT was optimistic! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:00 pm
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Latest delivery date I heard was "end of March."


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:37 pm
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This is exciting news! I don't think I will be upgrading immediately though. Still in love with my MIII, no need for XLRs at the moment. But I sure hope we get access to the additional amps in FUSE.

57 Twin and 60s Thrift... sounds interesting. Anybody know what the rest of the new amps and effects are?


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:55 am
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60s Thrift must be Silvertone!


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:54 am
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All I want to know is does the new MII have an led readout?
There must be significant changes otherwise it would be just a firmware upgrade as usual.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:49 pm
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markcc wrote:
All I want to know is does the new MII have an led readout?
There must be significant changes otherwise it would be just a firmware upgrade as usual.


Not necessarily. It more likely would be an upgrade of its processor to allow for more simultaneous effects without sacrificing any quality loss in the amp models. Ever wonder why Fender has never released a firmware upgrade that would allow for more simultaneous effects or why you can't use an OD and a Compressor at the same time? I really believe that it's because the processor is already working at or near its limit. That odd sound you get when you switch between presets, I suspect, is the processor "catching up" to get the parameters set for the selected preset.

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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:52 pm
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60s Thrift must be Silvertone!


hehe - really... my 1st amp was a silvertone. It was 1965 or 66.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:48 am
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Love to hear what Fender thinks a Silvertone sounds like!

I suspect Orca's right, the whole point of them selling new amps is to add features. They're going to blow out the old amps and collect top dollar for the new. If you could just download the new amps and EFX, folks could just buy used and D/L the goodness and be done with it.

Fender would like to move customers onto a fizzless $299 MIII and making the new features exclusive is their best shot at that. Expect the old MIIIs to get blown out at $199--they already have been around the web at different times.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:49 am
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To add my 2¢/p to the speculation.

Nothing in the announcements so far suggests any significant hardware changes. In particular, the specs for power amps, etc, that have been provided strongly suggest this part is completely unchanged (so I don't expect the fizz is fixed).

If there were big hardware changes, they'd be in the announcement. The only changes Fender have mentioned are the XLR output (a simple addition so the amps now match what the Floor does), a "new look" which could just be a different cabinet cloth (a typical mid-life makeover), and the new amp models and effects, which are all software.

There's no reason per-se to assume a better DSP processor or more memory, just to support additional models/effects, if they work the same way as before: ie you choose one amp and up to four effects, in limited combinations. I agree these are being added to breathe new life into sales - again, mid-life makeover. Note the announcements only mention that there are additional amps/effects available, not that more can be used simultaneously. If they were adding the latter capability, I would have expected to see that as a headline item in the announcement.

Fender can easily restrict the new amp models / effects / firmware updates to the "V2" amps in software. That is, if the new stuff doesn't work in existing amps, that will be because the software deliberately contrives to prevent it, not because the existing amps can't support it. That's a standard software licensing technique used by many companies, so we can't beat-up Fender for it. Of course, one hopes that Fender may later release the new stuff for existing amps, once they feel the market for the "V2" amps is largely used up. We'll have to wait and see. (On the other hand, they haven't actually said the new amps/effects will be exclusive to the "V2" Mustangs, we might be pleasantly surprised and find that the next firmware update works on all our existing amps too! No harm being optimistic occasionally...)

As for it being "logical" for Fender to build a new amp without fizz, I disagree. From a commercial point of view, the fizz issue hasn't prevented The Mustang being a success. They sell by the lorry-load worldwide. Therefore, "logically" Fender have no business need to spend more R&D money on a solution, or manufacturing money re-tooling production lines, sourcing different parts etc. For people who've been disappointed by the fizz issue this obviously isn't a nice answer: if 100% customer satisfaction were the prime goal, yes it would be logical to fix it. Sadly, in the real world, commercial pressures mean that companies, even good ones like Fender, have to draw the line at some number less than 100% happy customers. I still think Fender draw their line higher than some other companies.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:00 am
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I agree with scott on this one. I do not think fender will get into new R&D costs until the current line of amps runs out of steam sales-wise. They just need to revamp the line now that Peavey and possibly others are trying to catch up with them, so I would only expect some minor cosmetic changes to the mustangs (the fizz thing might fall into this category as I think it would require to change a capacitor or two on the power amp if I'm right about the source of the issue)

Regarding the firmware upgrade for the V1 mustangs, I have seen some hardware/software vendors doing something very smart with firmware upgrades:
-they provide it free of charge for existing customers: this is very smart because it adds to the Fender brand the idea of investment protection across hardware changes, something no other vendor can claim at this point. That is, you get some goodies from the firmware upgrade but all related hardware upgrades you don't, but you don't really lament having a V1 amp. This is a huge plus for the Fender brand that easily offsets any development effort it could require to adapt the firmware upgrade for V1 amps.
-they retire from the market ASAP the mustang v1 amps so they avoid having two choices for the end consumer

In the telecommunications market (my field of expertise), this kind of strategy has permited some vendors to delay R&D on hardware for more than 10 years in some cases retaining a huge market share and promoting the brand at the same time, which is totally amazing from a marketing point of view.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:49 pm
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I'm in the no V.1 upgrade, will fix fizz camp. The fizz fix is cheap and will be a classic "running change" kind of thing with no mention by Fender for obvious legal reasons.

But they'll need far more than an XLR-out and some lipstick to make V.2 V.2, and that's going to have to be the new amps and EFX. Thus no soup for you, V.1ers.


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Post subject: Re: New Mustang III v. 2 at NAMM
Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:06 pm
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that very well might be, Musicmaster, but you see, one of the side-effects of emulation amps is that... others can do what Fender can, and attract in the future frustrated V1 owners. With emulation amps, if you like fender tone, and Peavey is doing it well enough, there's no reason not to jump ship and start using Peavey, for example. If Fender expects V1 owners to bite the bullet and buy AGAIN a Mustang they might very well fire their marketing guru right away.

The moral of the story: as guitar amps become more and more commoditized, vendors will need to take care of their customers or somebody else will...


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