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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:46 pm
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... And the treatment to do the same for phones is simply too involved and peripheral for them to bother.


um.. so why is it called an "emulated out "
it also sounds pretty poor when recorded via USB into the PC and then played back on speakers
emulated, it ain't

Because it's speaker-emulated for recording, but not specifically tweaked for phones. Apples and oranges. Direct to phones is a very weird beast, I don't know of any headphone-corrected outs done by anybody. I don't know where you even start--is it EQ/compression/dynamics-related? Who knows? Thus not worth the effort since it's hard enough to make a modeler sound great out speakers or direct to recording.

I mean, some guys may even LIKE how an MIII sounds via phones. YMMV. But to me it just sounds flat, overcompressed, brittle, fizzy, digital and lifeless with zero dynamics. And that's on tones that sound awesome coming out of the amp! Go figure.


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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:57 pm
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Musicmaster2 wrote:
markcc wrote:
Musicmaster2 wrote:
... And the treatment to do the same for phones is simply too involved and peripheral for them to bother.


um.. so why is it called an "emulated out "
it also sounds pretty poor when recorded via USB into the PC and then played back on speakers
emulated, it ain't

Because it's speaker-emulated for recording, but not specifically tweaked for phones. Apples and oranges. Direct to phones is a very weird beast, I don't know of any headphone-corrected outs done by anybody. I don't know where you even start--is it EQ/compression/dynamics-related? Who knows? Thus not worth the effort since it's hard enough to make a modeler sound great out speakers or direct to recording.

I mean, some guys may even LIKE how an MIII sounds via phones. YMMV. But to me it just sounds flat, overcompressed, brittle, fizzy, digital and lifeless with zero dynamics. And that's on tones that sound awesome coming out of the amp! Go figure.


And it would all be compounded by the question "WHICH headphones should it be tailored to?" What sounds good on a good pair of headphones is NOT going to sound good through a cheapo pair of Panasonics. What sounds good through $5 ear buds is going to sound horrible on quality cans. There is no possible way to provide for equal frequency response through all the different headphones out there, especially considering that some headphones have no response at all below 100Hz, while some DJ headphones are very hyped in the 70-80Hz range.

It's all about realistic expectations. People seem to know that different brands and models of headphones will sound different when plugged into a stereo. Why then do they expect them to all sound identical when plugged into a guitar amp?

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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:07 pm
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It's all about realistic expectations. People seem to know that different brands and models of headphones will sound different when plugged into a stereo. Why then do they expect them to all sound identical when plugged into a guitar amp?


Well my Rockman sound awesome through any phones, but Tom developed it specifically for phones--though it records well too, but noisy as hell.

I give Fender credit for making my MIII sound killer out the Celestion. And the headphone dealie works fine for practice. That's all you can legitimately expect.


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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:43 pm
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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:59 pm
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AKG K701 or Shure SRH440/SRH840's and you should hear it the way it's supposed to be heard.

Enough said.


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Post subject: Re: MIII Headphone Jack - info reqd.
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:29 pm
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I've tried a few top-of-the-line headphones. They all sound about the same (since guitars live mainly within a 5k freq range)--crap. It has literally nothing to do with the quality of the headphones. It has to do with taking a sound meant for a highly distorted speaker (guitar speakers) which moves air in a certain way and stuffing that successful sound into phones which operate very differently. Now you may like the way your headphone out sounds, but you can't tell me it sounds anything like that same preset through the Celestion in a room. No way.


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