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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:15 pm
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Ephminus wrote:
Alrighty...
Here's the lowdown.

Just got it home and plugged it in.
The "fizz" is much more minimal.
Even more minimal than typical pickup hum.



I predict you'll be returning it before the 30 days is over and trading up to a tube amp. You're not going to be able to live with the fizz. It's worse than ordinary hum. You'll start losing sleep.

Please keep us posted.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:43 pm
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cormorant wrote:
Ephminus wrote:
Alrighty...
Here's the lowdown.

Just got it home and plugged it in.
The "fizz" is much more minimal.
Even more minimal than typical pickup hum.



I predict you'll be returning it before the 30 days is over and trading up to a tube amp. You're not going to be able to live with the fizz. It's worse than ordinary hum. You'll start losing sleep.

Please keep us posted.


I have two Mint 65 Deluxe Reverb Reissues I will be happy to sell you. I have the orignal boxes and all packaging, or you could just go buy a Mustang 2.

Sigh!!!

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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:36 pm
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cormorant wrote:
Ephminus wrote:
Alrighty...
Here's the lowdown.

Just got it home and plugged it in.
The "fizz" is much more minimal.
Even more minimal than typical pickup hum.



I predict you'll be returning it before the 30 days is over and trading up to a tube amp. You're not going to be able to live with the fizz. It's worse than ordinary hum. You'll start losing sleep.

Please keep us posted.


LOL...thanks for the offer.
But I really like the fact that there is so much "fun factor" with this amp.
Plus the tonal variety really helps to inspire different song ideas.
It's like one day I'll have a Hendrix tone...next I'll feel like having a Alex Lifeson tone.

Next will be recording tests...to see if I can get some quality tracks with this thing.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 8:24 pm
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Hi Ephminus,

If at some point the fizz bothers you (or anybody else) this is a quick fix that makes the fizz inaudible in all but the more extreme cases:

-you will notice that most presets (particularly the factory presets) come with a volume level of 7
-pick your most fizzing preset (for example, bassman basic, or deluxe 65 basic in my case, particularly if using humbuckers)
-on that preset lower the preset volume to around 1.2 to 2 should work)
-increase the master volume to 7 or more

if at this point you can still hear the fizz chances are you can also wiggle your tail and bark :)

The only downside to it is that you MUST remember to lower the master volume before changing to another preset with unmodified volume values or you risk having a hearth attack.

An interesting side effect is that after lowering again the master volume to whichever value you normally use (im my case 2.5) you might notice that the fizz is either gone or very minimized, at least for a while.

Hope this helps.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:01 am
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I'll put it to you this way, the fizz is so inaudible that I would have never noticed it all if it weren't for having that other amp first.
As of now it is operating just like a regular amp.

I wish I knew what the actual difference is between the two of them.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:15 am
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All due respect, there is some very interesting discussion here, but it would better serve the community if it were in the thread that has already been designated as the Fizz topic thread. Any new information about fizz revealed in this (or any other alternate) thread runs the risk of getting lost in the mix. Not to mention that this thread is already heading down the road to become a rehashing of the same discussion.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:51 am
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I'll put a link to this thread over on that thread.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:30 pm
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HIO wrote:
Some added points, all in context to this thread but all over the map so bear with me.

1. Guitar speakers are made to stay in the frequency range of the guitar and that is why you do not want a speaker trying to put out all those added frequencies even if the amp is capable of it. It will yuck up a mix big time. Anybody, ever heard of the 60 hz cycle hum. Never mind, that is a whole different animal and story.

2. Amps in the store are notoriously misleading because of abuse.

3. Your ears are very important and I know many producers, musicians, engineers, etc. who cannot hear squat today. I think people are easily allured to the bigger amps for fear it won't be loud enough and that is why I think people should give the Mustang 2 a closer consideration.

4. The Mustang 2 has no fizz issue, sounds great like his big brothers/sisters, and can get plenty loud. With a loudness decibel meter at 3 feet the Mustang 2 at a master volume dialed in at five is like 106 dB without any digital distortion. 106 dB is painfully loud and is about at the average human pain threshold.

I use the amp on like around 3 and mic it. Sounds beautiful, especially the Twin model my fav and I am a tube snob and have been for years and have owned many tube amps including the Fender Twin. I have five Fender amps currently and sometimes grin and giggle while playing the Mustang. :) :lol:


I rest my case! See you boys and girls later next year fizzing in the threads of no return. :arrow:

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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:29 am
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Ooooh, a second fizzing thread.

This gets better and better ....

:lol:


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:27 am
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So...
I Am Fizz Free!!!!!

My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model. I tried it out in the store, but because of the noise in there I couldn't hear the "fizz".
I've had decent luck with floor models in the past, but apparently not this time.

I took the amp back to the store and got a brand new one in the box.

When I first got the new one home I noticed some slight interference that was similar to the "fizz", but it turns out that it was the light on the ceiling right above my amp.
Maybe some of you are picking some interference from those energy saving bulbs, you know, the swirly ones.

As of now my amp works perfectly!
Aside from the regular pickup hum that every amp has, it is completely "fizz" free.
That includes the Bassman amp model which seems to be one of the models that suffered the worst.

The only difference that the new amp had was that it came with a really heavy duty power cord.
The new amp was even made with the same exact manufacturing date as the "fizz" one.

As far as I can tell, it must be that some of the amps must have been assembled incorrectly or have some random defective parts.
I'm also wondering if the floor model I purchased was a returned item that they threw out on the floor.
Maybe returned for having the "fizz" issue?

I have to say that this amp is now AMAZING!
I'll have no trouble mic'ing it up and playing nice smooth clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:06 pm
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great news!

It happens more than not, that people confuse the fizz with something else,as you mention interference of many types and whatnot (I even read about somebody with a loose speaker)

rock-on!


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:20 pm
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Why start another thread? This first one is fine and keeps all discussion together.

Here's the deal. If you'd read the original thread, you'd know that many people, including me, have reported that fizz develops and worsens over time. If it develops after your vendor return period, Fender will not honor a warranty a claim on it. Good luck.

Moderator: May I suggest you freeze this thread and move all responses to the existing Fizz thread so people have a half-decent chance of finding the relevant posts on this topic?

Ephminus wrote:
So...
I Am Fizz Free!!!!!

My amp had the typical "fizz" issue.
I made the mistake of buying a floor model. I tried it out in the store, but because of the noise in there I couldn't hear the "fizz".
I've had decent luck with floor models in the past, but apparently not this time.

I took the amp back to the store and got a brand new one in the box.

When I first got the new one home I noticed some slight interference that was similar to the "fizz", but it turns out that it was the light on the ceiling right above my amp.
Maybe some of you are picking some interference from those energy saving bulbs, you know, the swirly ones.

As of now my amp works perfectly!
Aside from the regular pickup hum that every amp has, it is completely "fizz" free.
That includes the Bassman amp model which seems to be one of the models that suffered the worst.

The only difference that the new amp had was that it came with a really heavy duty power cord.
The new amp was even made with the same exact manufacturing date as the "fizz" one.

As far as I can tell, it must be that some of the amps must have been assembled incorrectly or have some random defective parts.
I'm also wondering if the floor model I purchased was a returned item that they threw out on the floor.
Maybe returned for having the "fizz" issue?

I have to say that this amp is now AMAZING!
I'll have no trouble mic'ing it up and playing nice smooth clean tones.


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:21 pm
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+1
InkStained wrote:
Ooooh, a second fizzing thread.

This gets better and better ....

:lol:


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:09 pm
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brucefulton wrote:
Moderator: May I suggest you freeze this thread and move all responses to the existing Fizz thread so people have a half-decent chance of finding the relevant posts on this topic?


I'd vote no to this proposal; I see no reason why he (or anyone else) shouldn't be free to start new threads on his experiences. Search should be able to turn them up. At Scorpaeon's suggestion, he's been diligent enough to update the "Fizz" thread.

PITA


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Post subject: Re: Underlying Fuzz Sound on Clean Amp Models
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:16 pm
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brucefulton wrote:
Moderator: May I suggest you freeze this thread and move all responses to the existing Fizz thread so people have a half-decent chance of finding the relevant posts on this topic?


I find that thread has the opposite effect, any relevant posts or intelligent discussion is buried under a mountain of bickering, whining, and childish tirades.

Just sayin' though, ...do what you want. :roll:

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