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Post subject: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:32 pm
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Hi, I realized that all amp models have the cabinet simulation ON for standard. Should this be the case when not using headphones or usb-recording? When it's turned off the sound gets much thinner.

Is the cabinet simulation made to simulate a mic'ed up cab for recording or to adjust the the sound of the amps physical cab? I'm a little confussed :oops:


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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:35 pm
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Is the cabinet simulation made to simulate a mic'ed up cab for recording or to adjust the the sound of the amps physical cab?

My understanding is that the answer is "both." The cab simulation definitely changes the sound through the amp's own cabinet/speaker, and through headphones.

I haven't personally tested different cab settings via USB, but I believe the cab simulation is applied to the USB audio output too.


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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:07 pm
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The Cabinet Simulator is a part of the DSP. USB output and headphones come after that. The Headphone jack has a separate filter on it because of the difference between the Lo-Fi guitar speakers and the Hi-Fi headphone speakers. It's not always 100% accurate, though.

The Cabinet Simulator is MOSTLY there to attempt to shape the stock speaker of the Fender Mustang to sound like it's the speaker in the cabinet model. Celestion's Rocket 50 speaker is relatively "neutral" with its frequency responce, but that's not the case with G12T-75s, Vintage 30s, Greenbacks, etc. Each one has their own response curve and different sensitivies to guitar frequencies.

It's not perfect, but it's a pretty damned good approximation. That's why I don't usually recommend people trying to change out the stock speaker in these amps. It throws the cabinet simulations off because you have no way to edit those inside the DSP chip.

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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:39 pm
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From what I've read on other forums, guys seem to be locked into the "212C" cab as a standard default cabinet for presets. IIRC, it really opens up and adds girth to the sound.

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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:15 am
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Ok thanks! :)

I just don't wanna realize something sounds weird after recording :p

Actually some of the cab-models doesnt change the sound so much at all i noticed (don't mean this in a bad way). I have a 2x12 celestion v30 cab and I must say that it sounds really good. When I searched for the perfect clean sound for a song I was writing yesterday, it wasn't just a good clean sound, it was a complete WOW-factor. Holy $@!&! The bassman amp with its cab sounds incredible with the neck-pickup (EMG85), sounds a lot like red hot chili peppers, are they using fender amps?

You know, I'm a young guy, metal guy, have always thought that old fender amps are only for old blues-music and such. I have always been more of a marshall and peavey guy (have played JCM800, JCM2000, Peavey Bandit 212, Peavey 6505) and I must say that I was surprised of the classic fender models, they can go really clean and when turning the gain up: break up really sexy. I have already found a few "the perfect cleans" and "half-cleans", so this will be my clean and half-clean amp for the rest of my life! They break up nicer than marshall and have a little brighter tone and even with more gain, every tone seems very pronounced.

The crunch sounds really good and I must say that I now prefer the supersonic-character over the marshall I have played, the gain on this thing can go from classic rock to insane amount of gain. I like that it have two gain-pots to. I prefer it over marshalls because it can make those "shugshugshug" when palm-muting without sounding metal, you know for more punk or classic rock without the need of a tubescreamer.

Haha now it went more to a propaganda-post, but I am on a fender forum so whatever :p


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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:26 am
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As the saying goes, "You can get dirt from clean, but you can't get clean from dirt".

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Post subject: Re: About the cabinet simulation
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:04 am
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FFXIhealer wrote:
The Cabinet Simulator is MOSTLY there to attempt to shape the stock speaker of the Fender Mustang to sound like it's the speaker in the cabinet model. Celestion's Rocket 50 speaker is relatively "neutral" with its frequency responce, but that's not the case with G12T-75s, Vintage 30s, Greenbacks, etc. Each one has their own response curve and different sensitivies to guitar frequencies.

It's not perfect, but it's a pretty damned good approximation. That's why I don't usually recommend people trying to change out the stock speaker in these amps. It throws the cabinet simulations off because you have no way to edit those inside the DSP chip.


I agree that it does throw off the cab sims but if you disregard the "inaccuracies" and simply listen to the sound as you tweak a preset, it's not an issue at all. I don't care what the cab sim is supposed to sound like. If it's giving me the sound I'm after, that's all I care about. This also reminds me that I should experiment with micing the amp and using the USB signal simultaneously on a stereo track for recording.

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