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Post subject: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:41 am
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I am considering getting the EXP-1 to use as a volume pedal for my Mustang III. But I noticed it uses the 4-button jack. Does this mean you can't use the 4-button foot switch with the EXP-1? I just recently bought the 4-button switch and really don't wan't to give it up just for a volume pedal. Would I be better off with a 3rd part volume pedal? Are there any issues with using a 3rd party volume pedal? Can anyone recommend one, or does the EXP-1 work in conjunction with the 4-button pedal?

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 5:57 am
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The EXP-1 connects directly to the 4 button footswitch input on the Mustang III, IV, V, and to the EXP-1/MS-4 input on the Mustang Floor. It also contains a pass-through jack that allows you to daisy chain the MS-4 4 button footswitch. This aids in reducing the clutter normally associated with multiple pedal in your setup.

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:08 am
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Mrchevy wrote:
The EXP-1 connects directly to the 4 button footswitch input on the Mustang III, IV, V, and to the EXP-1/MS-4 input on the Mustang Floor. It also contains a pass-through jack that allows you to daisy chain the MS-4 4 button footswitch. This aids in reducing the clutter normally associated with multiple pedal in your setup.


Thanks! I was hoping you'd say that. You should mention that in your online description of this product. If I had seen that information last night, I'd have ordered it on the spot!

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:33 am
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3rd-party volume pedal

As noted in several other topics recently, the Mustang EXP-1 pedal isn't a conventional/simple pedal. It's a digital device using a proprietary protocol to communicate with the amp. This means (probably) only the Fender pedal will work with the Fender amp, no-one else's pedal will do* (and also that the Fender pedal won't work with other amps). See my reply to this topic for more details:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=76363

(* in terms of using the dedicated connection to the amp; obviously a normal volume pedal could be used inline with the guitar connection to the amp in the first place, or in the amp's effects-loop)

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mention that in your online description of this product

(NB most of us here are users like you, not Fender people; so it's not "our" online description, it's Fender's :-)

I had the same confusion when I first read about the EXP-1 pedal; indeed I asked exactly the same question, and several people helpfully answered it, here:

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=72158

Also, Fender have published the following support article which explains how to connect the EXP-1 and MS-4 at the same time, although I agree it would be helpful if the product description page also mentioned the info, or at least linked to this article. I have already made that request to Fender, looks like they haven't updated their info yet!

http://www.fender.com/en-GB/support/art ... sion-pedal

Finally, note also that the EXP-1 pedal isn't just a volume pedal - you can use it to control (almost) any parameter of any effect in the amp.


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:11 am
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Thanks, Scott-uk. I knew it was a digital device because I knew the 4-button switch was a digital device. My question about using a 3rd party volume pedal was to ask if anyone had any advice on conventional analog volume pedals. I would never try a non-Fender device in that jack.

I was asking about the 3rd party volume pedal because I've used a wah pedal in my signal chain with this amp, but only with so-so results. Something to do with the DSP in the Fender, I guess. So I was wondering how an analog volume pedal would work. It is a moot point - I just ordered the EXP-1.

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:42 am
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I was wondering how an analog volume pedal would work

Here's a suggestion to test this:

An analogue volume pedal, inline with your guitar connection to the amp, will do exactly the same as the volume knob on your guitar - it's just easier to control a foot pedal while playing than the knob, of course.

So, if the sound through the amp retains the desired tone/character/effects as you vary the volume on the guitar's knob, a separate volume pedal should work fine for you.

On the other hand, if the amp settings you like to use don't work well when you turn down the volume on the guitar knob, then it's likely a separate volume pedal will suffer the same issues too. This may be a useful test prior to buying such a pedal.

I suppose it depends whether you use amplitude-dependent effects much in the amp, and whether you want them to change when you change the guitar volume. For example, we're all familiar with reducing the guitar volume to 'clean up' an overdriven signal and reduce distortion. That's great if you want to reduce the distortion; not so good if what you actually want is just a quieter but equally-distorted sound!

(You could of course achieve that latter result, a quieter but distorted sound, by putting the analogue volume pedal in the M3's effects loop, rather than before the amp input).


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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:08 am
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scott-uk wrote:
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I was wondering how an analog volume pedal would work

Here's a suggestion to test this:

An analogue volume pedal, inline with your guitar connection to the amp, will do exactly the same as the volume knob on your guitar - it's just easier to control a foot pedal while playing than the knob, of course.

So, if the sound through the amp retains the desired tone/character/effects as you vary the volume on the guitar's knob, a separate volume pedal should work fine for you.

On the other hand, if the amp settings you like to use don't work well when you turn down the volume on the guitar knob, then it's likely a separate volume pedal will suffer the same issues too. This may be a useful test prior to buying such a pedal.

I suppose it depends whether you use amplitude-dependent effects much in the amp, and whether you want them to change when you change the guitar volume. For example, we're all familiar with reducing the guitar volume to 'clean up' an overdriven signal and reduce distortion. That's great if you want to reduce the distortion; not so good if what you actually want is just a quieter but equally-distorted sound!

(You could of course achieve that latter result, a quieter but distorted sound, by putting the analogue volume pedal in the M3's effects loop, rather than before the amp input).


There are passive volume pedals (what you described) and there those with active electronics (requiring power). The difference is typically a higher input impedance for the active volume pedals. Just going by what I've read about them. I haven't needed one until recently, so I didn't have either type lying around. We'll see how the EXP-1 works out. It looks like it will more than do the trick.

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:29 pm
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To daisy chain the ms-4 pedal and the exp-1 pedal, can you use a normal short wire that we normally use between normal effect pedals?

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:35 am
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mayhem38 wrote:
To daisy chain the ms-4 pedal and the exp-1 pedal, can you use a normal short wire that we normally use between normal effect pedals?


No, use the cable that comes with it.

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:55 am
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the only problem with the supplied cable is it's very long and you'd have to coil it up to use connecting the EXP-1 to the MS-4. Theoretically a short instrument cable should get the job done.

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Post subject: Re: EXP-1 Pedal with Mustang III
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:28 am
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mayhem38: I use a short patch cable between my EXP-1 and MS-4 and it works fine.

omar59: I'm curious why you think this doesn't work?


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