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Post subject: Loop pedal question
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:22 pm
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Could someone please help me regarding loop pedals. I have owned a mustang 2 for about a year now and very happy with it so far. I would like to start playing around with a loop pedal but am unsure if the mustang 2 is suitable for this . The way I see it is if I were to play some chord progression with some chorus for example, and have that looping around, then want to play some tune over the top of it with say some delay, won't the combined sound just be delay? Cause the effects on the mustang are the last thing in line. ???.

Please help as I don't know much about this black magic.

Cheers Braino.


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:36 am
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Braino wrote:
Could someone please help me regarding loop pedals. I have owned a mustang 2 for about a year now and very happy with it so far. I would like to start playing around with a loop pedal but am unsure if the mustang 2 is suitable for this . The way I see it is if I were to play some chord progression with some chorus for example, and have that looping around, then want to play some tune over the top of it with say some delay, won't the combined sound just be delay? Cause the effects on the mustang are the last thing in line. ???.

Please help as I don't know much about this black magic.

Cheers Braino.


A loop pedal works best when the amp has an effects send between the preamp and power amp. Then you can record a rhythm part clean and let that play while you switch the preamp/effects section for a lead. You're Mustang II can't work that way.

Still, it's usefull for practicing. You can record the rhythm part first, either by:

a) Connecting the loop pedal output to the aux in and the guitar to the loop pedal input and recording the rhythm without using the Mustang preamp/effects and then after the rhythm is recorded plug move the guitar cable to the mustangs guitar input.

or

b) keep the guitar plugged into the mustang and connect the loop pedal input to the headphone jack. You need to connect the looper out to some kind of "monitor" so you can hear what you're playing, or split the stereo signal, one channel going to the looper the other going to a headphone. With this method you can use all the effects, amp models, etc. for the rhythm part. After you have the rhythm recorded you can just switch amp settings if you want to continue using whatever "monitor" you have set up for rhythm. If you want the mustang speaker then disconnect the looper input from the headphone jack and connect the looper out to the mustang aux in. This sounds more complicated than it is and it is useful for practice. Not really for anything "live".

After reading all that you might just want to plug the guitar into the looper and then the looper into the guitar input and use the same sound for rhythm and lead, like you described. I suspose you could also put a pedal in front of the looper to give a distinct lead sound.

Like I said, loopers work best with amps with an effects send.

John


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:56 pm
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Thanks for you help john.Think I might go and trade the mustang in on a more straightforward amp.

Baino


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:22 am
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Braino wrote:
Thanks for you help john.Think I might go and trade the mustang in on a more straightforward amp.

Baino


That's understandable.

One thing I forgot to mention is that there are some loopers that have effects built in so they might give you what you want, although that's really just the option of adding pedals in front of the looper. I have a boss RC-3, and that certainly works best with an effects loop amp. Still, I have a lot of fun using it with my Mustang I.

The other problem with using a looper with the Mustangs is that all of the plugging in and out of the flimsy 1/8" jack is asking for trouble.

John


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:59 pm
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Hi,

I use a looper with a mustang 3 and worsks wonderfully, just add it to the send/receive loop and you are good to go.


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:35 am
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a more straightforward amp

It's not that you need a simpler amp; you just need an effects loop. I agree with jedi2b that the Mustang 3 would work ideally for what you want to do. If you like the Mustang 2 for its other features, changing to a Mustang 3 could be a good move rather than switching to something completely different.

If you do go for a different amp, however "straightforward," make sure it has an effects loop. Any other amp without an effects loop is going to suffer exactly the same limitation as your Mustang 2: you're restricted to having the same settings for both the loop playback as for whatever you're playing over the top of it (assuming you put the looper inline between the guitar and the amp).

Alternatively, if your answer to that is just to leave the amp on completely neutral settings, then you could do that with the Mustang you already have. And if you're thinking of using other pedals inline before the looper as johnjaypl suggests - well, you could do that with the amp you already have. (Just thinking of suggestions to save you losing money on a possibly unnecessary trade-in)


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Post subject: Re: Loop pedal question
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:08 pm
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Hi Braino,

So, Fender does not offer any official support for the product mentioned here. With that said, you could take signal from the headphone output, then bring the output from the looper to a playback source. Record all the loops you would like. Then reconnect the looper to your amp via the Aux input for playback with the appropriate adaptors.

With this example, you should be able to playback recorded loops and use them through the Aux input. If you decide to try this, I would suggest going to a music store and trying this out before you buy the product to make sure that it will work for you. Obviously, you will not be able to use the looper in a "live" type of style. But hopefully it would work for playback. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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