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Post subject: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:49 am
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I had a fender mustang IV for a couple weeks which had the fizz. So I returned it. Tried another one, which had fizz and returned that. I really liked these amps, except for the fizz so I said hey, why not get the mustang floor and use it into my crate combo amp. Well sadly to say, it sounds nothing like the mustang IV I had. The clean channels were pretty good but the dirty channels such as the 90s metal channel...sounds very bumble beeish if that makes any sense. It does not sound real at all, where as the mustang IV sounded way better. Is this because the mustang IV has different speakers than my crate? I would think that the bumble beeish distortion wouldnt be created by different speakers. I tried it in two different combo amps I had laying around. Sounded the same. Am I hooking it up right? I went guitar to line in on floor unit. Then Left line out to combo amp. Then I set the Floor unit to combo amp setting. What should I have the combo amp tone knobs and volume knobs at? I tried a few set-ups but nothing sounded right. Maybe I should hook the floor unit to computer and see if it has latest firmware update. I am so dissappointed!!! I really wish the mustang IV didnt fizz as I really loved the sound it had.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:16 am
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Just to be certain... when you say "guitar to line in on floor unit" which socket on the Mustang Floor do you mean? It doesn't have a "line in" socket. The guitar should be plugged into the "Input" socket, which is the one on the far left as you look at the back panel of the M-Floor. That's probably what you have, just checking the obvious, in case...

Next, check the "Level" knob on the back of the Mustang. Start with it at 12 o'clock position. It's possible this is set too high and overloading your amp input.

Next, turn off all amp modelling and effects on the M-Floor - so now the M-Floor connected to your amp should sound (almost) the same as the guitar plugged directly into the amp. If that doesn't give you an acceptable neutral sound, then something more fundamental is wrong.

You could try different leads, in case one of them is faulty (an intermittent short could cause a buzzy sound).

Also try both positions of the 'Ground Lift' button.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:25 am
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Scott,
Thanks for the reply. I did mean input rather than line-in. here is my issue, I bought the mustang floor to be able to use all the amp models in it through my crate amp ( I was hoping if the crate amp was set on clean then basically I would be using the crate amp as a powered speaker cab). Shutting the amp models off isnt what i want as then id simply have my crate amp the way it is which leaves something to be desired. I like the 90s metal setting on the mustang IV when I had the mustang IV before it started fizzing. I believe this is simulating a marshal stack or something. Anyways, It just sounds bad through the crate amp when set on this setting. The distortion (gain) of the amp model does not even come close to what it sounded out of the mustang IV. I am talking about the same model. i cant remember exactly which number preset it was except it was in the 94ish range and was called 90s Metal. Like I said, I actually thought it was a great setting when going the the mustang IV, but going through the mustang floor unit into my crate amp, it just sounds like a bad distortion peddle and not like the amp model it sounded like on the mustang IV.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:15 am
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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:17 am
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Strings,

I understand what you are saying....I just figured the Mustang floor through a combo amp would at least be close to what the Mustang IV combo sounded like, but its not even close. Just wanted to make sure there wasnt something I was doing wrong before I return it.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:25 am
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so you're plugging the output on the floor straight into the regular input on the Crate amp?

IMO, you will get the best effect by plugging into something that does not have its own preamp section. No matter how you try to flatten the EQ, it's still going to color your tone. The other thing is you might be overloading the input, try turning down the output from the floor (not sure if you can do this, I don't have one to experiment with)

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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:01 am
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Strings you can indeed turn down the output of the floor unit. I will try that when I get home. I realize that the floor unit would probably sound best through a simple powered speaker vs a combo amp but I do not have a powered speaker. I thought I might be able to get away with using a combo amp on a clean channel. I will do some more messing tonight but if not then it will go back and the search will be on. Here is what I am trying to accomplish, I know no amp will be a do-it-all amp but I do play almost everything. I would rather have 80-90% of a decent tone of everything than buying a tube amp and getting 100% awsome tone of one type of music. Do you have any suggestions? I tried the mustang IV which I loved but it had the fizz and so has every mustang III and IV ive tried at other stores.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:06 am
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Shutting the amp models off isnt what i want...

I know. I was suggesting doing that temporarily as a troubleshooting step to try and narrow-down the cause of the problem.

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you can indeed turn down the output of the floor unit

Didn't I suggest that a few replies ago? :)

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I thought I might be able to get away with using a combo amp on a clean channel

does your Crate amp (or any other amp you own...) have an effects loop? Try plugging the M-Floor output into the 'return' socket of the amp's effects loop. That way, you bypass all the pre-amp stuff on the amp; it's the closest you'll get to using your combo amp as a 'neutral' power-amp-and-speaker.

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Do you have any suggestions?

I haven't tried this myself, but others wanting to achieve the same as you report good results by plugging their multi-fx unit (M-Floor or whatever) into a Tech 21 Power Engine. That's a neutral-sounding active speaker (ie power amp and speaker in a single cabinet).


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:14 am
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Can I make a suggestion? (although not a cheap one, about $150 bucks). If you have an external cabinet, pick up one of these.http://www.ehx.com/products/44-magnum.
I have this with a Mustang Floor and a Crate 1x12 open back cab with a 100 watt celestion (G12K-100). This is the same speaker that's in the Mustang 3, I believe. Sounds great and can be very loud if needed. Get it from an online merchant so you can try it for 30-45 days and return it if you don't like it.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:28 am
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pathtaker, I do not have an external cab. What exactly is that 44 magnum thing? Can I make my crate amp into an external cab? i.e. I do not use it for guitar at all so I do not need the electronics power amp part except how else could I power it?


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 9:54 am
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It's a power amp the size of an effects pedal. 44 Watts. Very Clean, Very loud.
Check out the link I posted. You plug the output of the Mustang Floor in to it and the output
of the Magnum 44 into a speaker cab.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:20 am
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So even though the floor is going through the crate, shouldnt it sound pretty close to a regular mustang IV? I mean they dont even sound close.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:26 am
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This may help you convert your amp.
http://www.tdpri.com/forum/amp-central- ... binet.html


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:31 am
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If your going into your combo amps input, you are most likely using it's pre-amp, which will color the sound. You don't want that because your pre-amp(and modelled amp) IS the Mustang Floor. What you want is either your combo amp's power section ONLY, or a separate power source and speaker like I use. On some amp's you can use the effects loop if you have one to bypass the combo amps pre-amp section. (This was already posted I believe). Hope this helps.


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Post subject: Re: Need Mustang Floor help!
Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:33 pm
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Pathtaker,
Is there an easy way to make it that I am only using my power amp section and not the pre-amp? I dont have an effects loop unfortunately.


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