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Post subject: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:00 pm
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Here it is Fender Mods:
The Twin setting through the phones is wonderful SANS gain.
I want that sound louder during playalong.
The normal Volume knob has to be DIMED.
The Master volume SIMULTANEOUSLY raises the volume of the Ipod/ AUX IN at the same time the of the Twin Amp setting....Which never catches up!
The Ipod, really no matter what level it's on, The Mustang Amp Chooses a SET VOLUME for the Ipod device.

I would like the AUX IN to be disengaged from the Master Volume,
OR....
Make the Twin Setting louder, without any GAIN adjustment and without having to add MODULATION, which boosts the daylights out of the TWIN AMP volume....

I think a firmware update can get this done....
What say ye?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:46 pm
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Hey Bonesaw,

give this a try:
-select basic twin preset, and low the gain so it sounds as you like
-put the volume to max (NOT the master volume)
-add a compressor, set level to max (it does not change the twin tone much IMHO but doubles the Twin output level)
-adjust master volume to your liking, and do not touch it again
-connect your mp3 and adjust it's volume to your liking (most probably close to minimum)

You might want to try putting the compressor in the effects loop with Fuse if you like.

Hope this helps.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:27 pm
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Ah yes...
Another pedal...
I have a Fulltone FD2 for a boost, if needed....
But
I have a Bi-Amp setup that requires that the FD2 follows a Fuzz to a Micro Cube to handle the right side into a Headphone amp...
The Mustang 1 just can't seem to throw a decent boosted Twin sound clean (The Best)
utilizing the SAME Fuzz/FD2 setting to the left side WITHOUT some kind of ADDITIONAL Boost...

I was looking fwd to not purchasing that extra pedal....

Prolly have to go 'split duty' of some fashion to avoid that extra purchase...


Oh well...


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:30 pm
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Bonesaw,

You don't need any other pedal, just add the compressor effect on the mustang itself.

It is an interesting frankesntein you got there... :shock:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:14 am
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Bonesaw123 wrote:
The Master volume SIMULTANEOUSLY raises the volume of the Ipod/ AUX IN at the same time the of the Twin Amp setting....Which never catches up!
The Ipod, really no matter what level it's on, The Mustang Amp Chooses a SET VOLUME for the Ipod device.

I would like the AUX IN to be disengaged from the Master Volume,

I would like to see this feature too.
It's not just the Twin setting. The problem is auxillary input signals are not created equal.

When I get my preset tone and volume set where I want it on the amp, I want to be able to plug in the aux input and start jaming - without having to further tweak my preset. Should be simple right? Just turn up or down the volume on the Aux unit as needed. Well often times you run into the probem bonesaw is describing.

It would be nice to be able to control the Aux input volume seperate from the Master volume (similar to the the USB gain feature) even if its only in FUSE.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:59 am
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Maybe I'm missing something?

I agree it's important to be able to control the volume of the 'aux-in' sound separately from the guitar sound coming through the amp.

But surely one can already do this: control the volume of the sound on 'aux in' using the volume control of the device plugged into the 'aux-in' socket? Why duplicate that with another control on the amp? Yes I can see it might be useful, but is it essential?

(OK, I'm assuming that the device connected to aux-in has its own volume control, but I've personally never come across anything that doesn't).


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 8:31 am
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I agree with scott-uk, the amp has a maybe too many volume controls already... gain (and gain 2 in some cases), preamp volume, amp emulation master volume (some cases) and master volume knob, not counting usb signal level...

chances are you can atenuate the aux in using the attached device's volume control as scott-uk mentions.

Anyway I think it would be a bad idea in general to use the aux in as the mustang speaker is not well suited for anything else than guitar sound.
The gdec is better suited for this as it includes a tweeter, so human voice does not sound as a bad AM reception as is the case of the mustang speaker. A possible workaround would be to use headphones so get a better quality sound, but I hate playing with phones... :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:19 am
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Here's the problem as I have encountered it...

If I plug in an Ipod, I can get plenty of volume out of it, not a probem. But...

My Mustang generally stays hooked up to my computer (computer soundcard line out to Mustang aux in). And I have a ton of backing tracks that I've acquired from various places saved on my computer so that's why I like to stay connected to the computer. Anyways, I'll set up my preset to a comfortable level and have the computer volume maxed out - its usually not enough. My guitar playing washes out the backing track. Any attempt to boost the level of the mp3 via whatever software I'm using usually results in distortion and clipping of the backing track. The other option is play with headphones plugged in, or tweak my preset to bring the level down to match the backing track. (dissapointing when you just want to plug in and rock out).

As a disclaimer, my computer is not exactly new or top of line, so updated hardware may help. Also I realize that having aux in on a guitar amp is a niceity not a necessity and that certain quality issues should be expected when using the same speaker for guitar and monitor, so all things considered I don't consider this a drawback of the amp. BUT, if an independant aux volume control could be easily added in to FUSE, and I don't know if it could, I'm just saying if it could it would be nice.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:39 pm
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I see.

Couple hints:
-If you are using windows, particularly XP, you have a mixer on the PC itself where you can adjust the 'wave' output (normally audio generated by programs as you mp3 player) and a master volume, make sure both are maxed out
-give it a try to VLN media player, is free, very good and you can increase output volume up to 200% without any distortion on the PC side


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:56 pm
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What happens is when I set my Ipod or music device Input ,
say Volume 14 on THAT DEVICE...
It comes in the Headphones at a Roaring '25'!
When I set my Ipod or music device Input , say Volume 1
It comes in the Headphones at a Roaring '25'!
When I set my Ipod or music device Input , say Volume 25
It comes in the Headphones at a Roaring '25'!
Along with the poor little Guitar Twin Setting with No gain added....at around...Oh I dunno....Volume 4! :evil:

I will try the compressor thingy.
Stompbox section, right?
The OD on real low gain sounded pretty nice, tho'...

Thanks for the input, guys...
'Preesch'


When I have added the Modulation , the Guitars VOLUME gets DOUBLED then.....and rather bad way.....


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:13 pm
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Looks like two opposite ends of the same problem - for one person the aux-in is too loud, for another it isn't loud enough.

Bonesaw123: ok, so what it looks like you're saying is that changing the volume on your ipod etc has no effect on the volume you hear when it's plugged into the Mustang - it's always on maximum volume.

A very similar problem was reported a while ago. It turned out in that case that the ipod/device had two outputs - a headphone socket, the volume of which varied with the device's own volume control, and a line-out, the volume of which was always fixed at 'maximum.' It turns out the person in that case was inadvertently connecting the line-out of their ipod/device to the Mustang, rather than using its headphone socket, and hence had no control over the volume going into the Mustang. Simply using the correct socket on their device cured the problem.

Another possibility, if our device really does only have one output socket, is that your device has an "intelligent" headphones socket. If it detects its own headphones plugged in, the volume control is active. But otherwise, the device assumes it isn't headphones but a connection to another hi-fi device, and instead sets the level to the socket at a fixed line-out level. You can test this by plugging some ordinary headphones (rather than any 'special' headphones that came with the device) into your device, and see if the device volume control works properly. If it does, make sure you connect the aux-in on your amp to that same socket on the device, and the device volume control should still work.

Scorpaeon: "if an independant aux volume control could be easily added in to FUSE" - I don't think this would help with your issue, of the aux-in not being loud enough. A volume control in general is an attenuator - that is, it will adjust the signal it's controlling between zero and the 'natural' value of that signal. A volume control doesn't usually include any boost/gain. It sounds as though what you're really asking for is a pre-amp on the aux-in to increase its level, coupled with a volume control to then attenuate that level as required.

You can actually buy simple little pre-amps to do exactly that; they're often available as hobbyist kits, but usually also sold ready-made for only a few £££/$$$. You could connect one in-line between your computer/device and the Mustang amp to amplifty the signal you're sending to the aux-in. Alternatively, a better PC sound card with a higher output level would achieve the same thing.

Finally, does your PC have multiple sound output sockets? For example, headphones out as well as line-out? If so try the other sockets, they may not all be at the same level.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Twin setting requires a boost with Headphones
Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 6:18 am
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jedi2b, scott-uk, thanks, I'll give some of those tips a try.


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