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Post subject: Mustang III + more oomph...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:04 am
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I have Mustang III guitar amp which is great... But for some gigs I sometimes need more "oomph" - ie louder... Playing in a small hobby band does not allow for a mixer board & miking the amp...

I also have a Rumble 350 combo that I thought might be usable for this since it's easy to carry & very loud...

The simple thing would be to connect M III FX send to Rumble FX receive, but then I only use the R 350 power amp, right? Since the characteristics of the speakers are very different, some sound shaping is necessary on the R 350 as I see it...

Would it be safe to connect the M III FX send to the instrument input of the R 350 so some shaping could be done? Just wondering...

If it's not safe, then I will have to go with plan B - which is connecting the M III FX send to a separate power amp & use my old "tuck'n'roll" Kustom guitar speaker cabinet... Just don't wish to lug that big box around all the time even if it sounds great...

Any advice appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III + more oomph...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:37 pm
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Mustang III ... need more "oomph" - ie louder

Wow, first person I've heard say a 100w amp isn't loud enough... although I suppose it depends what size venues you play...

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connect M III FX send to Rumble FX receive ... sound shaping is necessary

Yes this would work. As for sound-shaping, you could use the EQ or cab simulations on the Mustang to do this. (Although as someone else reminded me in another topic, you have to do that separately for every preset, so a bit of a pain). So instead you could use a dedicated EQ inline between the M III and R350, eg a Boss GE-7 etc.

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safe to connect the M III FX send to the instrument input of the R 350 so some shaping could be done?

Yes safe as long as the levels are kept under control. That is, start with the Mustang presets turned down low, then turn them up just enough to do the job. Note the Mustang master volume is irrelevant here.

You're also sending a signal that already has amp modelling applied, into another amp. I'm sure that can give some great sounds, but some experimentation probably required to get the right sound.

I wonder if a Mustang Floor might be a better option in this case (although yes I realise you already have the M III...)

One other thing to consider is you may get ground-loop problems connecting the two amps.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III + more oomph...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:02 pm
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I haven't had my Mustang III past about 5/6 on the master volume, and the windows still rattle !

100 (albeit SS) watts not loud enough in a "small hobby band" ? Scary stuff - I really fear for the hearing of some guys starting out now - and I know whereof I speak, playing in a band of older people at least two of whom have significant hearing issues that are almost certainly music related.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III + more oomph...
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:37 pm
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How about asking the others to not be quite so loud? A Mustang III at full tilt (and the rest of the band at that kind of level) is going to be in the serious hearing damage zone in anything but a large hall or similar, both for you and the first few rows of your audience.

It's easy for people to get carried away with the onstage volume (particularly drummers - one in particular I played with once could drown out the bass player's 1 kilowatt 8x10" rig :shock: ), but at those sorts of levels it just all sounds like mush to the people out the front.

Turn down a bit, sound better, play better, get more gigs. :mrgreen:

As an aside, it's possibly worth looking harder at the tones you're using - suck all the midrange out like a lot of players do and slap on the delays, reverbs, chorus, etc, and you won't be heard through the mix no matter how many watts you have. Settings which sound good by yourself very rarely work in a band situation, and vice versa. Listen to the frequency ranges of the other instruments, find a gap, and claim possession of it like a drooling dog with a tennis ball. :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III + more oomph...
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:06 am
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Thanks guys, sound advice - all of it...


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