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Post subject: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:26 pm
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Alright, be nice to this geezer guys...I'm not used to all the bells and whistles the Mustang V has. I'm an old bar band guy with Ampeg, Marshall and Fender Super Twin rigs "back in the day". I can see the advantages of the V, but damn..it just overwhelms me. I've settled on the 65 Twin amp model, but I'm looking for clean with punch when I need it. Got that kinda figured out, but when I turn off the pedals and post effects, I lose way too much volume. Bottom line, I'd like to set it totally clean with good volume, then ad the effects I desire at the levels I need. What am I missing guys? Gotta be a simple way to do this without all the losses. BTW, I've read the manual, screwed around with all the setting and still haven't managed to absorb anything. Any help greatly appreciated!! Be well....


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:18 pm
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Hi thunderrgd,

try this sequence:

-using any clean preset (for example, basic 65 deluxe preset 92) play your guitar with a volume of 6/10 or similar and adjust the master volume knob on the amp to the maximum volume you want to hear under any circumstances. Take note of the master volume value. You will not change this again. Ever. :)

-now look for the clean tone you are looking for, maybe presets 89 to 93 is a good start

-adjust amp gain, tone and reverd as you wish. DONT TOUCH THE VOLUME KNOB OR THE MASTER VOLUME KNOB AT THIS POINT.

-add any effect you would like, as a rule of thumb, if you put the effects before the AMP using Fender fuse, this will saturate the amp easier than if you put them on the effects loop.

-adjust each effect level (each effect has a level knob), not thinking about volume but on how strong you want each effect to be. experiment changing effect placement on the chain.

-now that you got the tone of your dreams, adjust the VOLUME knob on the amp so it sounds at the level you find acceptable on the first step. DO NOT TOUCH THE MASTER VOLUME. EVER :)

-save your preset and start over again to find the (NEXT) tone of your dreams

hope this helps


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:51 pm
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The 65 Twin amp model is particularly underpowered on the Mustangs, relative to the original amp. No-one really knows why, but it takes a lot of work to get that model sounding clean and loud.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:23 pm
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If you want to know more about the amp, take a look at my thread here:

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=75417

It contains a lot of information about the Mustang amps. It's a work in progress, as I add more info when I feel the need.

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:47 am
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The 65 Twin amp model is particularly underpowered on the Mustangs, relative to the original amp. No-one really knows why


See this post/topic:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=73653&p=870252#p870252


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:22 am
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Have you tried preset 61 "Sic Clean"?
It has a beautiful clean sound, I use it without any tweeks.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:38 am
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scott-uk wrote:
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The 65 Twin amp model is particularly underpowered on the Mustangs, relative to the original amp. No-one really knows why


See this post/topic:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=73653&p=870252#p870252

You just directed depepat to a thread which he has commented in. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:08 am
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You just directed depepat to a thread which he has commented in


Indeed. The link was more for the benefit of the original poster, should that person be interested. Just trying to be helpful.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:16 am
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Hey Scott

thanks for the info. Never realized that but now it seems obvious that a clean amp should sound less powerful than it's death-metal counterpart, at the same output power.

But again, that's why we have a VOLUME knob on the amp, to compensate for this kind of difference between presets. The alternative would be (not sure about this) to increase by the same amount bass,mid and treble, but not sure if this would preserve 100% of the tone as increasing the volume knob would do (most probably not as the overlap of the 3 tone controls are surelly not perfect)


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:36 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Hey Scott

thanks for the info. Never realized that but now it seems obvious that a clean amp should sound less powerful than it's death-metal counterpart, at the same output power.

But again, that's why we have a VOLUME knob on the amp, to compensate for this kind of difference between presets. The alternative would be (not sure about this) to increase by the same amount bass,mid and treble, but not sure if this would preserve 100% of the tone as increasing the volume knob would do (most probably not as the overlap of the 3 tone controls are surelly not perfect)


Real Twins are volume beasts. The lack of dBs on the Mustang Twin model remains a complete mystery. Forget the hi-gain models, the Princeton model is louder than the Twin, for heaven's sake!


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:53 am
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It's been a while since I've fired up Fuse or used the Twin model on my MII but as I remember it, I had a hard time getting the Twin to distort. It would get kind of angry sounding but still mostly very clean. I could get it to be as loud as I needed it to be compared to the overdriven sounds I use but I had trouble getting the "sheen" that the Deluxes had from the Twin. I have to revisit that "angry" sound sometime as it was kind of cool. With judicious use of a post compressor, it had really good sustain with almost no buzziness.

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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:39 am
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The lack of dBs on the Mustang Twin model remains a complete mystery

Hmmm, the reasons for this have been explained by several people, including me in the post I referenced above (and jedi2b's excellent recent spectral analysis in another topic gives a different graphical viewpoint of the same thing). If you're saying you disagree with my post, please let me know why - I'm genuinely interested to understand more on this if you have a different point of view. Or if it's just that I didn't explain it very well, let me know that too - I try and write helpful posts here, if I've missed something I'd like to correct it.


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 10:31 am
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Hey guys...apologies for the delay in getting back to you. I've taken (and tried) each bit of advice and you've solved my problem. I don't want to single any one in particular out, but all of you have a much better grasp of the V than I and I truly appreciate the help!!! I've got it pretty much set up to my needs. Fooling around with changing the amp since the 65 Twin under powered issue was confirmed (I had noticed it but thought it was just my ears...too many nights in front of an amp!) But again, my thanks...much appreciated on and all.....


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Post subject: Re: Overwhelmed by the V
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:13 pm
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Hi thunderrgd,

It looks like you have gotten some good advice and information from some of our Forum members here. I wanted to let you know that we are also happy to assist if you run into any other issues or have other questions about your amp. Thanks.

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