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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:00 pm
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Ahh, the good-old Fender Mustang II combo. This is the first amp I bought myself. I'm not counting the little 10-watt piece of **** that came with the little basic strat-copy starter guitar packages. I only bought that to see if I'd really get into guitars. It cost me $135 total. Now look at the mess I've made in only two years:

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Anyway, I used a Mustang V head for my previous posts in this thread. Here I talk about the differences between the Mustang I/II and the Mustang III/IV/V.

As you can see above, there's already a missing dial: the MIDDLE control. For the longest time, the only way you could edit the MID knob on the amp presets was to hook up a computer and run FUSE. Well, about 8 months back, Fender released an update to the Mustang's firmware that enabled you to do something about that. It consists of holding down the EXIT button and turning the TREBLE knob. Holding down the EXIT button makes the TREBLE knob act like it's the MIDDLE knob.

There's also no REVERB knob here. Any editing to effects will need to be done from within FUSE and saved to the preset that way.

Also a change is that there's no LCD. Not surprising, since the Mustang I/II were introduced FIRST, and the 3/4/5 introduced a few years later. The LCD panel and free-scrolling push-button wheel were included to make it easier to make changes to the amps modelling without toting a laptop around to your gigs with you - a response from consumer concerns.

See, Fender DOES listen to you guys.

Let's check out those two different faces again.
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Ok, so no MIDDLE knob, no REVERB knob, and no labels for the MOD or DLY/REV knobs. What the hell do those do? Well, let's go through each one. I have my Mustang II hooked up to FUSE while writing this post. All effects are in the POST-loop section unless otherwise specified.

MOD OFF - all Modulation Effects off
MOD A1 - Sine Tremolo - Level 85.8%, Rate 4.06Hz, Duty Cycle 49.0%, LFO Clipping 00.0%, Tri Shaping 00.0%
MOD A2 - Triangle Chorus - Level 92.5%, Rate 0.74Hz, Depth 32.1%, Average Delay 9.8%, LR Phase 50.1%
MOD A3 - Sine Flanger - Level 100%, Rate 0.08Hz, Depth 100%, Feedback 100%, LR Phase 50.1%
MOD B1 - Sine Tremolo - Level 85.8%, Rate 4.06Hz, Duty Cycle 49.0%, LFO Clipping 00.0%, Tri Shaping - 00.0%
MOD B2 - Vintage Tremolo - Level 85.8%, Rate 5.12Hz, Duty Cycle 38.8%, Attack Time 95.6%, Release Time 94.5%
MOD B3 - Vintage Tremolo - Level 88.2%, Rate 7.20Hz, Duty Cycle 16.8%, Attack Time 47.0%, Release Time 69.0%
MOD C1 - Vibratone - Level 95.6%, Rotor Speed 1.76Hz, Depth 15.2%, Feedback 67.8%, LR Phase 50.9%
MOD C2 - Vibratone - Level 95.6%, Rotor Speed 5.67Hz, Depth 15.2%, Feedback 67.8%, LR Phase 50.9%
MOD C3 - Pitch Shifter (Stomp) - Level 78.0%, Pitch 24.3%, Detune 50.1%, Feedback 50.1%, Pre Delay 50.1%
MOD D1 - Phaser (Stomp) - Level 99.2%, Rate 0.08Hz, Depth 99.2%, Feedback 72.1%, LFO Shape: Sine
MOD D2 - Phaser (Stomp) - Level 74.5% , Rate 3.93Hz, Depth 50.1%, Feedback 50.1%, LFO Shape: Sine
MOD D3 - Step Filter - Level 96.4%, Rate 5.33Hz, Resonance 100%, Min Frequency 18.0%, Max Frequency 57.2%

The other knob is marked DLY/REV. It does pretty much that: Add either a Delay, some Reverb, or both at the same time. Let's look at the automatic settings:

D/R OFF
All Delay and Reverb effects off
D/R A1
Ducking Delay - Level 27.8%, Delay Time 474ms, Feedback 23.5%, Release 44.3%, Threshold 56.4%
Small Hall Reverb - Level 29.8%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R A2
Stereo Tape Delay - Level 49.0%, Delay Time 606ms, Feedback 10.9%, Flutter 38.8%, Separation 100%, Brightness 50.1%
D/R A3
Mono Delay - Level 43.1%, Delay Time 703ms, Feedback 27.8%, Brightness 75.6%, Attenuation 50.1%
D/R B1
Small Room Reverb - Level 50.1%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R B2
Large Plate Reverb - Level 21.9%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 56.8%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 71.3%
D/R B3
Large Hall Reverb - Level 29.8%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R C1
'65 Fender Spring Reverb - Level 33.3%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R C2
'63 Fender Spring Reverb (Stomp) - Level 23.9%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 54.9%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R C3
Tape Delay - Level 86.6%, Delay Time 89.2ms, Feedback 00.0%, Flutter 39.6%, Brightness 16.4%, Stereo 00.0%
Small Room Reverb - Level 35.2%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R D1
Tape Delay - Level 37.6%, Delay Time 292ms, Feedback 16.4%, Flutter 38.8%, Brightness 70.1%, Stereo 00.0%
Large Hall Reverb - Level 18.8%, Decay 50.1%, Dwell 50.1%, Diffusion 50.1%, Tone 50.1%
D/R D2
Ducking Delay - Level 27.8%, Delay Time 474ms, Feedback 23.5%, Release 44.3%, Threshold 56.4%
D/R D3
Stereo Echo Filter - Level 50.1%, Delay Time 398ms, Feedback 50.1%, Frequency 50.1%, Resonance 50.1%, Input Level 50.1%

Most of those numbers shouldn't mean anything to you. Hell, they don't mean much to me either, since I NEVER use those two knobs and I always keep them at OFF. I've also gone through all 24 of my presets and rewrote them all so none of them have effects except 3. I have two green presets with clean amp tones that I have a Compressor added for added "chiminess." I also have a reverb added to an Orange preset. That's it.

Also the Mustang I/II had a Footswitch port on the faceplate (as opposed to the back like the 3/4/5 do). Also, unlike the 3/4/5, this port is not a digital one. It's a simple power-circuit. Either the switch is ON or it is OFF. This allows you to have two presets you can switch to/between with a simple ON/OFF footswitch, such as this one:
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Just like any other dial on the Mustang (except the Master Volume or the preset selector knob), it's a dormant effect until it's changed. Then the control you just messed with will overwrite whatever the preset had in place. So you'll be in whatever preset until you step on the switch. If it was ON, it will now be OFF and the Mustang will see that and switch your amp to your "OFF" (a.k.a. Red) preset. I say Red because the LED next to the Footswitch Jack will illuminate either Red or Green, depending on your footswitch position. If you switch to that preset with the Preset Selector Knob, it will also illuminate the color assigned to that preset (Green or Red). These switches sell for $20 at most stores.

That's all for tonight's installment. Happy reading...

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:18 pm
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go FFX go! :D good stuff

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:05 am
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this is really great stuff FFXi

As a newish MII owner can I reiterate the thing about switching the fx off.
I was struggling with being happy with my amp so at the weekend I either deleted , switched off or reduced to a quarter of the previous level value, all the fx. I then cut back the gain to almost zero on the metal presets I still had in place.
Hey presto almost everything sounds good now.

The doubled up delay and reverb (etc.) that Fender add on the built in presets really kills their life.

(I did add a looong tape delay on one and reverse tape delay on another and kept one or two with a decent amount of gain - gotta have something for fun.. )

I then wrote a list of what amp each preset was set to, the name of any fx used and a one word description and now I know roughly what is under each button.
( but a single line LED that shows the preset name would be a massive help! )
A few presets are quite similar but it now shows what the tone settings can do and allows the guitar sound to come through.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:11 am
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Hi FFXIhealer,

Thanks very much for your outstanding additions to the Fender Mustang Forum. The amount of information and detail is excellent. Great Contribution!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 3:11 pm
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Fender TSL wrote:
Hi FFXIhealer,

Thanks very much for your outstanding additions to the Fender Mustang Forum. The amount of information and detail is excellent. Great Contribution!

Cheers,


Thank you very much, Mr. Fender Rep.

Now, about that sticky...

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:13 pm
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Hi FFXIhealer,

We will definitely look at placing some related, detailed information on the web site or the Forum. And again, thanks very much for your valuable contribution here.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:58 pm
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FFXIhealer,

Just for the record. love your posts about these amps! Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:58 am
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Fender should include your descriptions and explanations in their manual!!!! A most needed and well thought out post. Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:17 pm
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Hi thunderrgd (Guys),

Again, FFXIhealer's contributions here are very much appreciated. In regard to the MOD & DLY/REV knobs on the Fender Mustang I/II vs. the LCD display on the Fender Mustang III-V, the knobs on the Mustang I/IIs represent what is directly available on the amp stand alone. Of course you can, when connected to Fender FUSE program any of these locations and save new settings. But overall, the amp has all the same models and effects as the Mustang III-Vs, they are simply accessible in a slightly different way due to the differences in the hardware.

Also, we have a support article with instructions on setting up the 2 QA Presets for the foot switch here: http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... footswitch. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:29 am
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I'm bumping this thread because it's after Christmas and I'm sure a bunch of people got one of these great amps from someone who just knows what tone means to guitarists. For you new guys, please go back to page 1 of this thread and enjoy reading. It gives you a lot of information about the inside of your new Mustang Amp.

On a side note: thanks a bunch, Fender guys. I told a local Fender rep at Lake Charles Music about how you asked me for input and this thread in particular and he gave me a free Fender Active Halo wall hanger in appreciation of helping to sell these bad-ass little/big amps. He gave me the hanger because he didn't have any Fender T-shirts in my size. :lol: It would have gone great with my Marshall and Gibson T-shirts.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:29 pm
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Hi FFXIhealer,

Thanks again for your contributions here. And we wish you happy holidays and a happy new year! Take care.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:46 pm
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As much as I have enjoyed my Mustang l and Bronco amps until now, these posts by FFXIhealer have opened up a deeper understanding of how well these amps are designed and how to maximize my enjoyment through knowledgeable customizing of the presets. The value of this thread is inestimable in my estimation. :D

Mucho kudos for these contributions. It is a great demonstration of the internet and the ability for the people of the world to be able to share their knowledge. Open source rules. (Hint)

Just outstanding contribution by FFXIhealer.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:01 pm
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Great Post! :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 5:44 am
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Great info here. Definitely should be a sticky!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Controls and FUSE
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:54 am
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First of all, really awesome thread, I've just renamed my basic presets (90-100) to the right models :)

Next to that, not much news probably, but I've found that:

British Colour = Orange
British Watts = HiWatt
'60s Thrift = Silvertone

Would be awesome to hear the original poster elaborate on possible models or cabinets of these :D

For the effect pedals, seems to me that the GreenBox is the Ibanez Tube Screamer, not sure of the rest


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