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Post subject: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:26 am
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Hello everyone, this is my first post. I have been following this forum for some time and always found valuable information.
Here is my question, I have a Mustang V head that I have been playing through a 2x12 Blackstar cab for a couple of months and loved it, great sound. So, I decided to buy the 4x12 Mustang Cab because it is suppossed to be the best match for the Mustang V head. Well, I got it last Friday and played it all weekend and I don't like it that much, it sounds good but it seems to have too much bottom end. Maybe I just got used to the sound of the open back Blackstar. I am tempted to remove the back of the 4x12 and see if that helps. My question is, does anyone feel the same way and has anyone tried removing the back cover?


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:53 am
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I have noticed a lot of bottom end when I play thru my 412 cabinet. A few of my friends that have played thru it have asked me to remove the "boominess" from it. I was not sure what the issue was with this, but removing the back sounds like a decent plan of action... not shure if I would try it myself tho


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:03 am
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All the Mustangs really, really need a dedicated Post amp/cab sim EQ- preferably a parametric EQ. This would be a more practical solution compared to having to remove the back of your cab.

Come on, Fender.

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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:19 am
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Yeah, I noticed it to using my 412 cab. It was a big surprise. All the presets that I did with headphones on was really too much boomy. When I play chords on clean, I need to change the way I play by plucking only the higher strings, which is really annoying. I created different presets with almost no bass when playing live because of this. I don't play with my cab really often because in rehearsals, we use a Jamhub and we all have headphones on. That's a real problem when I hook up my cab... I know a lot of people here don't like or use headphones, but our lives of growing up musicians with kids and wife is causing a bit of headache :wink:

Sure the post EQ would be the solutions. My problem is that it needs to be stereo and I can't find a stereo EQ stomp. I don't want to carry an external EQ all the time. We have already discussed it in an older post. That would be nice to have an option of using the eq knobs, accessible post amp with a button that we hold or any other way.


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:57 am
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bigdee wrote:

Sure the post EQ would be the solutions. My problem is that it needs to be stereo and I can't find a stereo EQ stomp. I don't want to carry an external EQ all the time. We have already discussed it in an older post. That would be nice to have an option of using the eq knobs, accessible post amp with a button that we hold or any other way.


The EQ does not have to be stereo if it is correctly placed before any stereo effects in the signal chain. Remember that amp models themselves are not stereo. Even the real amps being modeled are not stereo. Heck, technically speaking, not even the Roland Jazz Chorus is truly stereo in the strictest sense of the word. While its preamp is mono, its Chorus/Vibrato effect and its power amp are stereo.

It is the effects such as Chorus, Reverb, Delay and Flangers that take the incoming mono signal from the amp model and turns it into a pseudo stereo signal. In this instance, the Mustang IV and V are similar to the Jazz Chorus in their "stereo" implementation.

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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:43 am
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Okay,
but If I put a boss GE-7 eq in the stereo FX loop, how do you suggest to plug it? I don't really care losing the stereo effects. I experienced it in a live situation and it does not really make a difference. The speakers are too close from each other. Can I use only one side of the loop?


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:10 pm
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Use a normal 1/4" cable from one of the amp's Sends to the GE-7 and a "Y" cable coming the GE-7 output to go into the L/R returns of the amp.

As for the proximity of the speakers, I can always tell the difference no matter how close the speakers are. Even in a loud live situation, to me a stereo setup always sounds fuller when using Chorus, Flange and Delay effects.

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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:13 pm
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Ax Man Nano wrote:
Hello everyone, this is my first post. I have been following this forum for some time and always found valuable information.
Here is my question, I have a Mustang V head that I have been playing through a 2x12 Blackstar cab for a couple of months and loved it, great sound. So, I decided to buy the 4x12 Mustang Cab because it is suppossed to be the best match for the Mustang V head. Well, I got it last Friday and played it all weekend and I don't like it that much, it sounds good but it seems to have too much bottom end. Maybe I just got used to the sound of the open back Blackstar. I am tempted to remove the back of the 4x12 and see if that helps. My question is, does anyone feel the same way and has anyone tried removing the back cover?


Have you tried experimenting with changing the cab simulations, or even turning the cab simulation off altogether? Each cab setting is really just a different set of EQ parameters, and maybe simulating a 4X12 cab into a 4x12 cab is too oversimulating.

I find the 2X12c, which I think is supposed to be Celestion Blues, has very little bass.


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:33 pm
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I do not know how many here read my thread: Cabinet Simulation Improvement!
This is what i said from this thread and fender is looking into my suggestion for improving the cabinet modeling for all mustang amps and also this would be a solution for the boomy fender 4x12 cabinet.

Here is what fender should add to all mustang amps in addition to the different cabinet models: A parameter control to select what type of speaker or cabinet is hooked up to your mustang,for example the mustang I has a 8" speaker and if i select a 2x12 cabinet model it will not really sound that close to this cabinet model because the modeling software does not know what type of speaker your mustang amp uses,i could select this same 2x12 cabinet model with my mustang V going through my line 6 spider 4x12 and it may sound closer to what a 2x12 should sound like but if someone used a real 2x12 cab with there mustang V instead of the correct 4x12 cab the cabinet model will sound very different.

My point here is that the mustang and all modeling amps in my opinion should have a feature that you can select first what type and size of speaker is in your mustang and you would choose the speaker size in a parameter control setting to match your mustangs internal speaker,i would also like to see a cabinet tuning parameter control for fine tuning the speaker match setting.

If these features were added to the mustang the cabinet models would sound better and much more closer to what the selection of the different cabinet models should sound like.


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Post subject: Re: Closed Back - 4x12 Cab
Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 1:18 pm
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Thank you all for your replies.
You guys gave me the word I was looking for, 'boomy' describes what the issue is. Now that I had more time to play the 4x12 and after making some adjustments to some presets, mostly changing the bass level I have it to where I like the sound and it is playable in a small room. I also found out that the 4x12 sounds better with single coil pickups, my Strat sounds great, my Gibson tends to overpower the speakers.
I was hoping to hear from Fender about the option of removing the back cover and how it would affect the sound.


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