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Post subject: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:14 am
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Hey everyone! I am pretty new to the fender forum here. I just picked up a Mustang Floor for the sole purpose of connecting it to my Hughes and Kettner Tubemeister 18 via the FX on the back of the amplifier.

From what I understand, I can easily do this by just running the amp send into the INPUT of the Mustang Floor and then amp return into the Left Out of the Mustang floor. Is this correct?

Also, I will be bypassing all of the amp and stompbox capabilities and just using the modulations/delays/reverbs. This is also possible correct?

I noticed on the back of the unit the Output level dial - I am assuming that at 12 o clock position that would be full unity gain with my amplifier?

Sorry for all the questions! I really should give this thing a try in front of my Vox AC30 sometime to try all of the different amp sims, etc. I guess I am kinda happy with my amp sounds and just wanting the mods/delays and convenience of presets!

Looking forward to jamming around with this guy.

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David
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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:41 pm
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Hi David,

No worries about the questions. And welcome to the Fender Lounge Forums. And in answer to your questions, yes, the connectivity you describe should work fine. Be sure to go into the Utilities menu and configure the output selection (Mono in your case and set the output Voice as desired). And yes, 12 o'clock on the dial on the rear panel is unity gain. And lastly, you can bypass the modeling by simply pressing the Amp button on the top panel. Then you can add/edit your effects chain as you like, save and go from there. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:59 pm
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thanks for your reply!

in my case what is the best possible output option within the mustang floor given my configuration (amp fx loop)thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:02 pm
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Hi xmacvicar,

You are very welcome. In regard to what the "best" output option is for you, that is perhaps a bit more of a subjective question. I would suggest going through the various output Voice options and auditioning them. Don't worry too much about the titles, but just evaluate based on what sounds best to you. I hope that is helpful. Please let me know if I can assist further. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:25 pm
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the reason I ask is because when I went through all the voicings they all sound exactly the same that's why I'm not sure if it matters in this case...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:49 pm
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Hi xmacvicar,

OK. So, I would suggest that the 'PA System' Voice setting would be the best choice in this case. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:50 pm
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Fender folks,

Thanks for the quick replies! Its really helping me out. I am hoping that you can get into a little bit of explanations to help me out further. This next question is regarding generally how I will use the Mustang floor and I am torn with the best way to use it (and ultimately the best way to connect it).

Right now I am plugging in direct to my Tubemeister 18 and putting the Mustang Floor into the FX loop of the amp to use the modulations/delays/reverbs. I do not want the mods/delays/reverbs going into the front of the amp, hence the FX loop set up. But I did come across this post by Alan and it sparked my interest:

"The other method would be connecting the Mustang Floor to an amp (post) input or effects return on the amp so as to use the power section there and the modeling on the Mustang Floor."

Can you explain this further? Is this setup different than what I just mentioned about my own FX Loop setup?

Before I was very keen on keeping my Tubemeister 18 tone as pure as possible, but I am very tempted to go the route of creating full on presets with amps & stomps for full variety and ease of use. Knowing that I want to use stomps and amps, is there an optimal connection with the MF given the options of my amp.... do I just connect it straight in to the amp input? What does the method Alan describe do...

Just looking for some guidance here. I also have a Vox AC30CC2 that I am thinking about dialing in completely clean and using the Mustang Floor for ALL possible tones. I guess the only problem or barrier I have in my head is connecting the MF to one of my amps, but not having the time based effects in the proper place (I am used to all these time based ones in my amps FX loops).

Sorry for the long winded question, hopefully you get a grasp on what I am hoping to accomplish.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:55 am
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I'm not a "Fender Folk" but I'll offer some info...

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putting the Mustang Floor into the FX loop of the amp to use the modulations/delays/reverbs

Yes this sounds the correct thing to do. I assume you have overdrive (etc) and amp modelling turned off on your M Floor?

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"...connecting the Mustang Floor to an amp (post) input or effects return on the amp so as to use the power section there and the modeling on the Mustang Floor." Can you explain this further? Is this setup different than what I just mentioned

Yes this is different. What you have is:

guitar -> amp input -> amp fx send -> Mustang input -> Mustang output -> amp fx return

So you are getting your pre-amp sound (gain, distortion, etc) from your amp. What Fender suggest is:

guitar -> Mustang input -> Mustang output -> amp fx return

In this case, you want the amp modelling in the M Floor turned on, plus any gain, overdrive, etc. You're using the M Floor as your pre-amp section, rather than the real amp's pre-amp. You're just using the real amp as the power amp.

Personally, I think the latter setup defeats the purpose of having a decent valve amp. You may as well connect the M Floor to a FRFR solid state amp or a PA amp, etc. Unless of course you're planning to use serious power-valve overdrive, but given your amps and reference to running them "clean" that doesn't sound the case!

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is there an optimal connection with the MF given the options of my amp...

Not really. Either of the above work; they just do different things, neither is better than the other, it depends what sound you want.

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I also have a Vox AC30CC2 that I am thinking about dialing in completely clean and using the Mustang Floor for ALL possible tones

Sob, I think this is a tragic waste of an AC30! As above, you're not using the potential of the VOX; if you're going to use the M Floor for all your tone (which is perfectly valid and will give great sounds), you may as well use an FRFR SS amp - indeed some would say that may be better.

It sounds as though what you really want is a multi-fx unit that you can connect in proper 4-cable mode with your amp, to get all the different effects in the right places. As far as I'm aware, the M Floor can't do that. (Indeed, I've just spotted that you've asked this exact question in another post, which I've also answered).


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:31 am
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Scott,

Thanks for the amazing thorough replies. After purchasing I feared this may be the case with the MF and the 4 Cable method etc. Unfortunately it is going back to the shop for a return. I really wish it was capable of being connected this way. I do prefer to have my amps tone for most of the work, but I am crazy torn because I love the convenience of 1 button switching. I guess I am S@#$ out of luck unless I purchase another unit capable of this type of setup.

Thanks for the guidance!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor - Amp FX Loop
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 2:30 pm
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Hi xmacvicar,

I want to make sure that I am clear on the specific setup you are talking about here. It is my understanding that you want to connect the Fender Mustang Floor to the FX loop on your amp. Is this correct? If so, there should be no problem with that, assuming that your amp has either an FX loop or a direct amp input. Then you would bypass the modeling on the Floor.

I understand that you are not keen on connecting the Mustang Floor in the 'pre' position as well. Perhaps you can clarify any additional detail I may have missed. And please let us know if we can assist further. Thanks.

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