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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:01 pm
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Hey guys,

I should be receiving a Mustang floor on the upcoming days, and as an added value I would like to use it with the Mobius looper software (free and great software by the way)

The software in question can interpret any midi input command for looper control. The question for you would be if you can think on any way I could use one of the Floor buttons to send a midi signal wihtout changing anything on the Floor sound itself.

In other words the idea is to have one floor button that can be used as a Midi controller but that does not change in any appreciable way the floor sound. The idea from Scott is not bad but I would like to be able to change presets on the floor while using the looper if possible, so I won't be able to use only two presets and use a button to switch back and forth between them.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:35 am
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Hi jedi2b,

Thanks for your inquiry. And congratulations on the purchase of your Fender Mustang Floor. In regard to your question here, the Mustang Floor can send a MIDI program change command, but will automatically change it's own program at the same time. What you can do is to duplicate Presets on the Floor so that when you send the program change via MIDI, the Floor will advance accordingly. And if you have the same Preset in that location, that can be a workaround. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:10 pm
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thanks for the reply!

I see what you mean and I'm sure it would work.
I have an additional question, in order to avoid having to duplicate all the presets I use with this method, would this other method work?

-select the target preset normally
-pick an unused button for that preset (I normally do not use delay so that would be the candidate in my case)
-configure any delay effect with a level of 1 so it does not alter the preset tone in any way (I did the test and at least the mono delay with a level of one does not change the tone at all)

now i could potentially use the delay button as a midi external controller in case it sends a channel change when it'S pressed. could you please confirm that all quick access buttons send midi commands when pressed?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:35 pm
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Hi jedi2b,

Thanks for your updated information and ideas. With the Fender Mustang Floor, the unit itself always functions with the same MIDI command that it is sending out. So, I'm afraid that the specific function you are looking for is not available in this unit.

But you definitely can still use the Preset up/down function as we discussed and add a duplicate Preset. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 7:39 pm
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Hi Alan,

if that is the case I do not understand the advanced manual midi apendix, where you have different midi codes for each button that is pressed.

For example

in tha menual in page 11 (http://support.fender.com/manuals/guita ... _rev-B.pdf)

I found that:
Fx Insert = CC# 27 (0-63 Insert OFF, 64-127 Insert ON)

how should interpret this information? I thought that this mean that every time I press the insert button the floor sends out the midi CC 27.

Could you please clarify?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:33 pm
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Hi jedi2b,

Thanks for your follow up. It was my understanding that you wanted to reassign the an alternate button to send program changes. The Fender Mustang Floor automatically sends MIDI control changes for all the functions listed in the User Manual on pages 10-11 as you noted. So, you will want to use the MIDI control change that matches what function you want to control on the device you are sending the change to. Your Mustang Floor will send the MIDI control change and simultaneously change that like setting/control on the Floor itself.

I hope that makes sense and is helpful. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:05 pm
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Thanks for the quick reply.

Yes, I need to control a looper software using any control available on the floor. I can map any CC to any function I want on the software so this will suit me fine, particularly because I do not use the insert button for the floor operation itself.

Thanks!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:02 pm
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Hi jedi2b,

You are very welcome. And thanks for the reply. It sounds like this combination should work out well. And again, please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:39 am
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i am considering using fender mustang floor as a midi controller for MainStage. can i just connect mustang floor to my macbook using midi output and a cheap midi-to-usb cable? or should i use a fancier midi to computer interface (well, i guess a cheap midi-to-usb cable is still an interface but you know what i mean)? and if i do connect using any of those methods, will mustang floor receive the processed audio signal from my macbook's Main Stage so that i can just use mustang floor's xlr (or any other) out to a PA (like Apogee's Gio would do)? or should i get the sound out from my computer's audio out?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:06 am
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I use a 4$ cable I found on ebay and is totally fine. Feel free to buy a fancy 100$ interface but the result will be the same. MIDI carries only digital signals so not much is required in terms of quality.

You can not use a MIDI interface to send audio signal from the PC to the floor or viceversa, MIDI connections are for signalling only (preset change and such). The audio patch is separate fomr the MIDI signalling path


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:31 pm
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If all you want is a footswitch midi controller, and you don't want any audio processing (amp modelling, effects, etc), then I'd probably suggest you get a dedicated midi controller rather than the Mustang Floor. The M-Floor does do midi, but that isn't its prime function. You may find a dedicated midi footswitch has more configurability for what you want.

Also, as jedi2b observes, it's not clear exactly what you're trying to achieve. You talk about using the M-Floor as a midi controller, then talk about it receiving the audio from your Mac en-route to a PA. Do you want to do two distinct things, viz: have a midi controller, and have an audio pre-amp between your Mac and the PA? Or something else?

If you do want a midi controller, what midi signals do you want to be able to send? Program/Control Changes; Note on/off messages; etc...


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:40 am
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I guess I should just get the sound out from my laptop then.
what I was wondering was whether fender mustang can receive the signal from my laptop and convert it to audio signal and send it to a PA, like some of those dedicated midi foot switches do. that way I wouldnt need another interface between my laptop and a PA, in order to use xlr cables.
well, like you guys said, mustang floor is not a midi interface after all, so I guess I was asking too much from it.

yes, a dedicated midi foot switch would give me more functions, however, they are usually way more expensive and never come with amp modelings and effects.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:41 am
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I'm not sure I follow you. Are you looking for a guitar synthesizer? Mustang floor is definitelly not what you want in that case. But I do not think you need that functionnality either unless you want your guitar to sound like a violin or a piano. In that case you should look for a Roland 700$ guitar synthesizer. Frankly I do not understand why anybody would like to do that, but again, I'm just a blues guitar player :)

In the other hand what you CAN do is:
-connect the midi out of the floor to your computer using midi to usb cable
-use the floor midi controller capabilities to control any software on your PC/MAC
-connect fx-send on you floor to your PC mic-input
-take the audio output from your PC line-out/phones-out and connect to your Floor instrument input
-add any amp or other effects emulations on the floor itself if you like, or disable all effects if you don't
-take the output from the floor XLR out to a PA and you are done.

the midi cable you can get on ebay for 5$


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:31 am
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haha, no I wasn't looking for a synthesizer.

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/gio.php
if you go to the link above and scroll down a bit, you will see diagrams showing some examples on how to setup gears using that product. if you click the third one, you will see that it sends the signal to the pc, and then receives the processed signal back using the same usb cable then sends it to the PA using the audio out of the controller (not of the pc). I guess that was possible because that product is not just a midi controller but also an interface itself. but then that product doesn't have an xlr out anyway. so I can't use xlr with it either, but I can at least make the wiring a bit simpler at least. and since MF has xlr outs, I was wondering whether I could just set up the MF the same way, but I guess not.

thanks for all your inputs!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor and MIDI
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 11:50 am
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the USB interface on all Fender Msuatngs is unidirectional audio (output to PC). What you would like is a bidirectional audio USB interface in that case.

The USB interface on the floor is for audio output only, midi is carried on a different interface. you do not need a midi cable unless you want to control your pc software from your floor

IMO the only thing you save with a bidirectional USB audio interface is one extra 1/8 to 1/4 audio cable from PC line-out to Floor FX-return, unless I do not understand the setup.

PS: the midi controller + audio interface you mention is 400$ and includes no effects in itself which means on top you need a computer and software, it does not seem to include an expression pedal either?. I paid 175$ for the floor which is an autonomous solution. You sure you wanna go this way?

I agree the USB interface on the mustang is rather limited but frankly I never use it other than to connect ocassionally to Fuse :)


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