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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:27 am
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Alan,
While I'm all for being able to use more effects simultaneously, is there enough headroom in the Mustang's DSP to prevent an added stomp from degrading the amp models' quality? I ask because there's only so much DSP available and I for one would not be willing to sacrifice any of the amp models' fidelity for more effects. I'd rather have fewer effects to ensure better modeling or let the reverb take the DSP hit. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:06 am
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I wouldn't sacrifice anything too, we don't want more effects, we would like them to be freely assignable so we could have compressor, overdrive and wah available instead of one at a time. Not having it categorized under stomp, mod, and delay would be nice. Just a list of effect that can be placed in any order and in any combination.

If it's possible, that would be nice.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:48 pm
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for your clarification here. I understand your concerns and will pass them along here.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:28 pm
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Hey if something like the Zoom G3 can do it, the Mustang line should be able to do it, too. Why not have more flexibility? Do away with the categories. If there is a "DSP limit" just show us a screen saying we can't do it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 2:51 pm
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Hi jwoertz,

We very much appreciate your input here. Can you clarify what "it" is in terms of the feature request you are referring to? If you are referring to the effects amount/types available vs. quality/flexibility etc., I've got it. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:30 pm
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This is one of the regrets I bought the amp.I was on the fence over the MUstang 1 and the Zoom G3.I bought the MUstang. I like the amp but the whole only 1 effect from category limit makes me regret the purchase .If I had known that I would have not bought the amp and went with the Zoom. Especially with the new firmware that allows 6 FX.
In the videos on youtube showcasing the Fuse software it never mentions that limitation.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:24 am
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Hi Fender Folks, another feature suggestion to add to this...

I agree with others about not wanting to sacrifice sound/modelling quality by going over the DSP limit. I realise that different effects require different amounts of DSP power, and I suspect to some extent this may explain Fender's groupings, to prevent too many DSP-hungry effects being selected at once. So yes, allowing users to select any four (or however many...) effects would be good, with a simple warning "sorry you can't have that combination" if the users' selection would exceed the DSP limit. At least then the user can make an intelligent decision without being artificially constrained.

It would also be helpful to users (although Fender might regard this as confidential information) for all the effects to say what percentage of the available DSP they use; that way the user knows which ones can be selected without going over 100%. For example, if two different delay effects sound similar, but one needs 20% and one needs 25%, and I've only got 22% of DSP power left after selecting other effects, then it's easy for me to see which delay I should choose. If I really want the more expensive delay, I know I need to find a few more percent by reducing other effects etc.

Here's another idea; this is something the Mustang and other fx units I've had already do to an extent, but I think there's scope for extending it further. Combine multiple effects into a single effect. Often it's the case that two effects working together require less DSP power than the two effects singly. An obvious example is compressor+overdrive. I could use two separate effects for this, or I can choose one effect that encompasses both features. The combined effect may not have as many options for tweaking the sound, but may be "good enough" and the DSP saving of the combined effect lets me add more other stuff to the signal chain. I'm sure there are lots of other useful pairings of effects that could be combined in the same way, to give a greater range and capacity of useful effects within the same overall DSP limit.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:14 am
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Sorry (and thanks for your reply) - I meant that it would be really nice to have more flexibility for the effects. Instead of having an effects category, just give us several open slots for ANY effect in ANY spot. Label the buttons 1-2-3-4 instead of MOD, DLY, etc....

DSP limitations are understandable in this setup but we can deal with it. For me, I'm mostly looking for the ability to use a compressor in one block and overdrive/boost in another. Or say two different delays, one in each block. And so on.....

Thanks again!

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Hi jwoertz,

We very much appreciate your input here. Can you clarify what "it" is in terms of the feature request you are referring to? If you are referring to the effects amount/types available vs. quality/flexibility etc., I've got it. Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:20 am
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gtrman100 wrote:
This isn't a troll post, I love my MIII. But I'm finding the fact that you can have only one stompbox effect at a time a real limitation, especially because the wah effect is in the stompbox category. You can't have the wah and the overdrive at the same time, which is a standard guitar setup for many rock tunes.

Would it be possible in a future firmware update to:
A. Move the wah effect into the Mod category?
B. Be able to use two of one effect category at a time, i.e. have two stompbox effects and no mod or delay or reverb effect?

This would greatly enhance the versatility of the Mustang amps, and make them even more competitive to the similar Line 6 offerings.


YES PLEASE!!!!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:48 pm
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Hi Guys,

Thanks again for the input and ideas here. I will pass them along to the right folks for consideration.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:53 am
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I might add, though perhaps it is obvious, that one of the goals here should be to enable different configurations on the footswitches also. Yes, we badly need the ability to add more than one 'stompbox' effect to presets, but when playing live with a 4 button footswitch, users should be able to assign a switch to Overdrive and another to Compressor, for example. Then you've really opened up the live potential of the amp and footswitch combo.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:39 am
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Agreed. For live use the MIII and above with 4-button footswitch are usable but not ideal. It would be great to have something with more control but that would still fit into the back of the amp for easy transport.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III-V greatest limitation
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:53 am
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Hi Guys,

These are all good thoughts. We will continue to pass them along. Thanks very much.

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