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Post subject: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 4:01 am
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I was pondering this myself, and thought it might make an interesting / light-hearted side discussion. (although if no-one replies, not as interesting as I thought!)

Obviously on this forum, we all (mostly!?) think the Fender Mustangs are great amps, and the Mustang's existence actually obviates the need for the following question - the Mustang provides lots of great amp sounds in one box. But experimenting with those sounds makes me wonder about all the other amps...

So, if you couldn't have a Mustang, what other modelling amp(s) and/or non-modelling amp(s) (SS or valve/tube) would you have, and why?

I'll start:
Blackstar HT5R for low-volume practice (either combo or the mini-stack looks cute)
VOX AC15/AC30 for the great sound
Fender Deluxe/Reverb for a different great sound (and it's thanks to the Mustang that I've been introduced to this sound)
VOX Valvetronix for the vox sound more cheaply/quietly
Peavey Vypyr for modelling flexibility (not as many options as Mustang, but better than Valvetronix)
Bugera V22 for good sound at budget price
Marshall Haze because I feel I ought to have a Marshall amp at some point
Egnater Rebel sounds really nice, but is pricey - at least in UK


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:11 am
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I just ordered a Roland Street Cube because it's battery powered. I want something I can grab and take out in the yard or on the deck. I tried the Mustang Mini and just didn't like the tone, plus there was a ton of noise that I couldn't get rid of. The Street has a pair of 6.5-inch speakers and Roland's modeling technology, called COSM. I have another small Roland amp, so I know the quality is good. We'll see how this one stacks up. I also have a tweed Blues Junior, but I haven't played it much lately because I like the convenience of being able to plug my iPod right into my Mustang I.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 10:13 am
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I had a Line 6 Spider IV 120, that I sold when I got the Mustang III. It's really a very good amp with loads of good sounds, plenty of power and an excellent user interface.(I like the footswitch and editing software better than the Mustang's) I think the Mustang is better for organic amp tones, especially clean, but the Spider worked well in a band situation for me as a grab'n go solution.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:53 pm
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The reason I have a Mustang is because it has a variety of tones and effects that sound good at any volume, it works great for home/computer recording, and it was meagerly priced. If I couldn't have a Mustang I'd be very sad because there's really nothing else out there that measures up across the board.

Now if we're talking about a "wish list"....

Samamp VAC 23 - a boutique Fender Deluxe clone (tube amp) with some extra features to include the ability to switch from 3, 5, 11, or 23 watts. Great sounding "Fender" tones from bedroom to small gig volume.

Tophat Emplexador - a boutique Marshall clone (tube amp) Sounds amazingly like a genuine "Plexi" and can also produce amazing modern high gain tones.

Handwired Vox AC30 - just because it's an awesome amp.

And an assortment of effects pedals. And that's really all I would need in my amp stable.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:27 am
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I guess i could get into a good debate about what scorpaeon said:

If I couldn't have a Mustang I'd be very sad because there's really nothing else out there that measures up across the board.

In my opinion the mustang is a very good modeling amp but it is not the best in all of it's modeling and effects,the fender cleans are very good but the high gain models are not better then my vypyr's high gain amp models for example.

I also just finished modifying my vox VT20+ with a beam blocker and some cabinet insulation that i put in it and this amp sounds so much better now then it did before,it was harsh and fizzy sounding before and now it has a warmer and rounder tone,i get some great overdriven blues tones that even give my mustang V a run for the money!

To be fair i like all of my modeling amps about the same because they all have there pro's and con's and one model does not outshine the other in all of it's features,effects and amp modeling.

This technology is very affordable now and for example you could own a mustang I,vypyr 15 and a vox VT20+ for all under 400.00,four or five boss stompbox pedals could cost you that much!

I have the following modeling amps that i also like and use along with my mustang I, V and G-DEC 15: The vypyr 15 and 30w,vox VT20+,original spider I 50w,yes this amp sounds good with my behringer TO800 overdrive going into the clean twang amp model,the older spiders sounded warmer and less digital to me when compared to the new spiders,i also have the spider II HD75 that sounds more digital through my line 6 spider 4x12 cab but sounds very good and less digital through my marshall 1960a 4x12 cab.

I already mentioned how my line 6 spider 4x12 cab sounded with my spider HD75 head but i use this cab now with my mustang V head and it sounds very good with it, it is not digital or harsh sounding with the mustang V but is warm and rounder sounding,i guess the mustang needs a brighter sounding cab to sound good and visa versa for my spider HD75 head.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:49 am
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Well, I'm on the waiting list for one of these - http://www.customtonesinc.com/
I'm getting the one with the built-in 30 watt power amp. Played the preamp only version a month ago... I've been looking for that sound and response for 20 years.

I'm still keeping my MII though.

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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:05 pm
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Metalman50 wrote:
I guess i could get into a good debate about what scorpaeon said:

I actually wouldn't disagree in general with anything you said in your post above. Buying multiple amps with different/better features, adding pedals or other gear into the chain, modding your existing amp... those are all viable options to achieve whatever sound you're after. But in my opinion, the Mustang, even with its shortcomings, has the best OVERALL feature set and is going to get you closest to an all in one solution than any other modeler -for cheap!

disclaimer - I base my opinion off the MIII which I think is the best value of the Mustang line.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:18 pm
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Has anyone seen or played a Roland GA modeling amp?

It's not a cheap, but its an interesting concept and sounds pretty good on youtube clips.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... KuUwXQ24vU

I'm also intrigued by the Blackstar ID modeling amps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_57rNZCrOwk


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:07 pm
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Honestly, I haven't played my MIII much since getting my Super Champ X2 head... I still like my MIII, and it's convenient to tote to practices or whatever but I really think I could replace it with an X2 combo and not miss it much.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:12 pm
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Scorpaeon,now that i think about it you may be right about the mustang if you play a wide variety of music styles because i also had to modify my vypyr 30 with a beam blocker and a backboard to make it sound less harsh and enhance the low end,i already mentioned how i did a similar modification on my vox VT20+.

My mustang I and V sound good without any modifications and also these amps sound good with many styles of music,i like blues,rock and metal and my mustang amps sound good with all of these styles. my vypyr sounds good for overdrive and metal tones but it is a little weak with it's clean amp models and my vox VT20+ sounds good with most clean models and very good with blues type overdrive tones but the metal high gain models do not sound as good as my vypyr or even my mustang amps.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:58 am
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I would probably get a Fender Blues Deville 4 x 10, Fender Blues Deluxe and an Egnater Tweaker 15 with a 2 x 12 cab. Wait a minute, I already have those...

All kidding aside I have a Mustang Floor that I use for recording and I do not have to worry about setting all of my amps up for recording now.. Major time saver and the tone I get with the Floor for recording is pretty damn good...

Nothing like moving the air with a nice tube amp though...

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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:15 am
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I love all the things my MIII can do and it has exposed me to other amp sounds I haven't played before - like a Champ, 57 Deluxe, Princeton. Because of my need for a ZZ top style wooley amp based on what I hear from my Mustang III I'm in the process of building a clone Tweed Deluxe. I'm going with a bare wood cab, 15 inch speaker and a cool western themed flower sack grill cloth ala Charlie Daniels. I know the Mustang is more house and computer friendly and can't imagine getting rid of it but this build sounds like a good amp to do my few gigs each year.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:53 pm
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This will probably seem weird, but since price is a consideration and I only need a practice amp, I would get a Behringer VT100FX Virtube 100-Watt Guitar Amplifier with 2 Independent Channels, VTC Tube Modeling, Dual Fx And Original Bugera 12 Speaker.


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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:37 am
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An original blackface or early silverface Princeton reverb.

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Post subject: Re: If you couldn't have a Mustang...?
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:25 am
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I have had the Roland Cube Street for a few days and I really like the convenience of it. Though it's too hot here right now to enjoy playing outside, it's nice to grab it and go to any room in the house. The life of the six AAA batteries seems very good. I've probably played about five hours on the first set with no sign of fading. The company says you can get up to 15 hours on a set. The amp is comparable to my Mustang I. It won't replace a nice tube amp or even a larger SS modeler, but for practice and jamming alone or with a friend, it works well. My buddy brought over his Fender Supersonic yesterday and we had no problems jamming together. Of course, we weren't peeling paint off the walls, but the Street was fine in that setting. The amp has Roland's modeling technology but no presets like the Mustang series, and only about six amp models. There is no Fuse-like software. It's also nearly three times as costly as the MI, so there is a price for freeing oneself from a power plug, but to me it's worth it.


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