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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:14 pm
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I think that the main point in all of this is that we would have to agree on: a $300 modeling amp can only come so close to sounding like a good tube amp.

The Mustang is probably the best modeling amp on the market and is one of the greatest tools for the learning/practicing guitarist. Probably all that most guitarists will ever need.

But put it side by side with a Deluxe Reverb, Vibrolux, Vibroverb, Twin, Peavey Delta Blues, various Marshall tube amps in a blindfold test - it would be easy to spot the tube amp.


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:51 pm
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it would be easy to spot the tube amp

I've seen results of several blind listening tests that suggest the opposite. There are also blind tests one can do online. I can't remember/find all the links, but here's some interesting reading.

http://www.emusician.com/techniques/076 ... mps/141292

http://www.emusician.com/news/0766/take ... est/137219

http://www.seymourduncan.com/tonefiend/ ... mp-models/

There'll always be someone who does such a test and gets them all right, and claims that proves there's a difference (and that the said person is so wonderful that they can tell, etc). But statistically more people get it wrong, and statistically there'll be people who get it right by pure luck - but claim it's skill :wink:

There are also those who question the validity of the tests - did the players play differently if they knew what the amp was; were the amps all set-up optimally and so on.

I'm not saying anything for or against valve/tube or modelling amps, or these tests. I just think these blind tests are interesting. I'd like to do a blind playing test, but I can't afford enough amps and assistants to set it up!


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:29 pm
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I listened a couple of the sound bytes that you posted and the software is really good and improving.

I have to admit that the 57 Deluxe model on the Mustang is very convincing when playing single coils or P90s. The natural tube compression that I hear from it is very similar to the Hot Rod Deluxe that I used to own. Other models on the Mustang are good too but the 57 is the one that really appeals to me

Still, if someone were to hand me the keys to a quality tube amp or a modeller..... yeah, 'nuf said.


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:16 am
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if someone were to hand me the keys to a quality tube amp or a modeller


I agree. If I had enough space/time/money, I'd have a room full of all sorts of lovely valve amps to play with. As I don't, the Mustang is the next best thing :)

Back on-topic... I use a Gibby LP with my Mustang, twin humbuckers ("Burstbucker Pros" I think they call them), and I can't say I've ever noticed a problem with output being too high. But if it were, rolling back the guitar volume *should* be all that's needed to clean up the sound. If that doesn't work, then I would think something more fundamental is wrong; pick-up height and string type are fine-tuning aspects, my thought is that you shouldn't need to fiddle with those just to get a clean sound. Does a different guitar sound clean through the Mustang, on the same settings? Does the problem guitar sound clean through a different amp? Does a different guitar cable affect the sound?


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:25 am
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scott-uk wrote:
I use a Gibby LP with my Mustang, twin humbuckers ("Burstbucker Pros" I think they call them), and I can't say I've ever noticed a problem with output being too high.


Same here, Epiphone Lucille with stock Epiphone humbucker pickups = no issues. They are supposed to be the equivalent Gibson 57 Classics.

Same goes for my Ibanez JS-LTD which has 2 humbuckers.

Did you try it with a different guitar that has humbuckers as a comparison?

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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:05 am
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I've tried my PRS copy but the humbuckers in it was strong even in the Hot Rod Deluxe. I guess I could string up my Aria Jazz box and try the floating mini.

The Peavey sounded really good with the Hot Rod Deluxe on both the Normal Channel and the Drive. But the HRD also has the hi & lo inputs to compensate.

It could be too that after being around the really high end stereo systems of the 70s & early 80s, my ear is too critical. My friend had a McIntosh stereo that was several thousand dollars in those days that was remarkably clean and accurate and I've caught myself comparing modern equipment to the high end stuff so......

Thanks to all, I will keep trying with the Mustang. Just got another brand of strings to try that receive high reviews.
I'll see if Fender Engineering comes back with anything but until then, I'll play single coils and enjoy the Mustang!


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:54 am
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I have 6-8 humbucker guitars from low vintage to hot vintage (7ohm to 15) output. None of them have been a problem with the amp. The setting needed to vary between these, and between the various other with singles (strat/tele) and p-90's. P-90's are usually in the 9ohm-11 range so they are not lower output in that sense.


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:13 pm
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I have been using a Boss DS1 with my Fender Floor and it works pretty good with the humbucker in my Telecaster

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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:44 pm
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OK guys, I can finally stop whining about using humbuckers with the Mustang iii.

Didn't say that I would stop whining, just about the Mustang.... :lol:

Anyway, using my PRS copy this afternoon, I found a setting that is the closest to what I had using humbuckers with my Hot Rod Deluxe. Very balanced on the treble and bass and no mud!!! The Hot Rod Deluxe is a great amp and I regret having to sell it but this preset gets me back in that park.

Ironically, to sound like a Fender amp, I had to use the Vox model on the Mustang! Check out my most recent uploaded preset called Stormy Monday. If you are familiar with the Allman Brothers version of that song, Duane & Dickey used a fairly clean tone with either a Les Paul and/or a SG and with my PRS copy, the preset that I just uploaded would be a convincing tone to use.

The neat thing about the Vox model is the control labeled Cut allows additional control of the treble (this is according the Vox manual on the AC30 Top Boost). Very useful in achieving the tone that I've just uploaded and it also is useful if you want to reduce the sharpness of a Tele without making the overall tone muddy.

Now to get out my 335 and see if I need to grab some cheese for some Sunday afternoon whine or if this preset will tame that beast as well.

Thanks to all for your input.


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Post subject: Re: Humbuckers
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:43 am
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Hi Bluezhawk,

I'm glad to hear that you have gotten a tone dialed in that you are happy with for your humbuckers. Please let us know if we can assist further as well.

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