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Post subject: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another amp?
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:34 pm
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Has anyone tried using the Mustang I headphone out to plug into the input of a larger amp?

Would you suggest I split the stereo 1/8" out into two 1/4" jacks and plug one into each channel of the other amp? Or will the headphone out accept an 1/8" mono jack run to a single 1/4" mono jack?

Just wondering, before I hit Radio Shack. :)


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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:09 pm
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Hi Doc Waters,

Can you clarify a bit more what the overall goal is here? Is it simply to amplify the amp's own tones? Or are you trying to add another layer of tone, etc. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:03 pm
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Hi Alan

Simply amplify the M1's own tones.

I have a Peavey Standard Series 260 amp (Solid State with 2 - 130w channels) from the 70's with 4x12 cab. Actually i have two of them - that i used for playing in large venues - stadiums and arenas etc - back in the day.

I bought the Mustang because i wanted an amp that could sit by my chair so i could noodle without having to go down to the basement to use my wall of amps. I love the Mustang because it gives me surprisingly great sound at low volume. I never thought I would own an amp with an 8" speaker - or for that matter an amp with only ONE speaker. LOL

Anyway, I got thinking that if i used the M1 to create the tone and the solid state to amplify it, that would allow me to get all the volume i could ever want for any live applications. The Peavey is an incredible clean amp with mega volume. Should reproduce the M1 tone flawlessly, I would think. Not looking to add tone, just amplify faithfully.

I'm just not sure about the most efficient cabling to connect the two? Can i use an 1/8" mono jack on the stereo out? Or, if i have to use an 1/8" stereo, should I get an adapter and split it into 2 channels (left & right) with a 1/4" mono on the end of each? Then, feed each into one of the two 130 watt channels of one of the Peaveys? Or use both Peaveys and send one line into the main channel of each amp?

Not accustomed to a stereo out on a guitar amp or even 1/8" connectors. (OMG. Am I getting old?) Open to suggestions.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:06 pm
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Seems like a great rig would be to get an 1/8" stereo male to 1/4" mono female adapter:

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Then use a regular guitar cable from there to connect directly to a power amp:

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And finally connect speakers to the power amp using speaker cables. The power amp could go into a 1U or 2U rack case (depending on the size of the power amp) which would be pretty neat and protect the power amp.

If you run a wire from the headphone out on the Mustang I to the input on your Peavey Standard Series 260 amp, you are adding a second preamp which might have undesired results. But if you wanted to try it that way, you'd want to get the Peavey amp to sound as flat/level/clean as possible and then control your tone using the Mustang I. It might work out ok..... nothing lost in trying except the cost of the wires.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 11:38 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
Seems like a great rig would be to get an 1/8" stereo male to 1/4" mono female adapter:


If you can find one with an ANGLED plug that would be great (or make one yourself), since you then don't risk breaking off your connector in the mustang. This is what I use for my headphones and AUX in.


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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:22 am
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That's a good point, what I do is loop the wire around the handle on top of the amp a couple of times before plugging the wire in. That's what I do with the wire that goes to the input. For added protection, I take one of those velcro wire ties and wrap that around the wire and handle.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:28 am
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Hi Doc Waters,

Thanks for the clarification on that. So, I would suggest that if the Peavey amp has an effects return that is post or a power amp input, etc., you should be able to go into that directly from the headphone output of your Fender Mustang I. The adapter cable that strings10927 suggested or an equivalent should work fine.

As far as going out from a stereo output, it should not be an issue in this case. Obviously, if the Peavey amp has a stereo amp input or effects return, you would want to use that. But I assume that it does not. Please let me know if I can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:15 am
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Hey guys, thanks for suggestions, and the tips on the cabling! I didn't realize they made an 1/8" stereo to 1/4" mono cable. (Note to self: you must get out more)

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...you'd want to get the Peavey amp to sound as flat/level/clean as possible and then control your tone using the Mustang I.

That's what i had in mind. But now that you mention it, I do have a beautiful mixing board that I need to buy a power amp for. Maybe when I do, I should just run the board and the M1 through it.

The Peavey doesn't have an effects return or post etc. These old solid states just have main instrument inputs on the "effects" and the "normal" channels. No apparent way to bypass the Peavey's pre-amp. Not sure how that's gonna work out. But I'm guessin' I'm going to have to be really careful with the volume. Any other problems you can foresee?

Would there be some kind of a gizmo/box, that I am unaware of, that would convert the output from the M1 to what would be better suited to feed directly into the Peavey's instrument inputs? Can you recommend a specific product? And just so i understand, can you briefly explain what it is that I am trying to achieve. :D

I feel like I'm asking some pretty dumb questions, but hey, I admit it, I'm a dinosaur, and I really do appreciate your help.

Doc


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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:47 pm
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Doc Waters wrote:
Would there be some kind of a gizmo/box, that I am unaware of, that would convert the output from the M1 to what would be better suited to feed directly into the Peavey's instrument inputs?


Nothing I'm aware of, it's not really an 'optimal' setup, but it can be passable

Doc Waters wrote:
And just so i understand, can you briefly explain what it is that I am trying to achieve.


You are looking to take a line level (not amplified) signal and amplify it. Your main issue is with your Peavey amp, you can't bypass the preamp (tone controls, etc) and go straight to the power amp. That being the case, you need to minimize the effect the preamp section on the Peavey has on your signal.

Doc Waters wrote:
I feel like I'm asking some pretty dumb questions, but hey, I admit it, I'm a dinosaur, and I really do appreciate your help.Doc


That's the only way to learn Doc, and some of the forum members here enjoy helping other guitar players get the most out of their equipment. The best information you can get here is usually posted by the moderators. But some of the regular members are very knowledgeable too. Take everything you read on the Internet with a grain of salt. Once you have your rig all set up, trust your ears and you really can't go wrong. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:30 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
line level (not amplified) signal and amplify it.


Them's the magic words. Thanks strings10927. I was having difficulty with the description on the Mustang website "1/8 inch Headphone jack doubles as Speaker Emulated Line Out" But, duh, of course - it's line level if it's a line out.

I really appreciate your taking the time to help.

Turns out that my little town doesn't have the connector I need, and what is basically a $3.99 cable will cost me $20 shipping to order from a national music store chain. But I did find one that goes from 1/8" male stereo and splits to two RCA's. So, I was able to cobble together a connection using RCA to 1/4" - until I can get to the big city. Will try it out later tonight. See if I can wake the neighborhood.

Thanks again.


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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:27 am
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Hi Doc Waters,

It looks like you are getting some good input and ideas here. Its tough that you are not near an electronics store. Perhaps Radio Shack's website might be a good location for you to order cables and adapters from. They usually have a good variety and it might be cheaper.

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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:52 pm
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Just a quick follow up: Been using the headphone out as a line out - and I love it!

Funny, I've had my amp for nearly 2 years, and until now, never put a set of headphone on it. What an amazing sound!

I've used the UBS to record into Reaper, and it sounds good, but the level is rather low. I think I'm going to be using the line level out of the headphones frequently for recording. It's a clean powerful signal.

Thanks for the help, guys.

Also appreciate your advise for making sure I don't accidentally break off in that rugged 1/8" connection. :D

Again, much appreciated. I remain, a big fan of Fender Mustang and the folks on this forum.

Doc.


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Post subject: Re: Using Mustang I headphone output to connect to another a
Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:41 am
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Hi Doc Waters,

It sounds like things are working out well with your amp. Please let me know if there is anything else I can assist with. :)

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