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Post subject: Will RC-3 via Mustang Floor FX Loop work same as with MIII?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 3:30 pm
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I am currently using a Boss RC-3 Loop Station with my Mustang III via Send/Return FX Loop and it works great!

I am deploying this year and am considering purchasing a Mustang Floor to take with me, however am confused as I see some things saying the Mustang Floor FX Loop works just like the Mustang III/IV/V and others that say the FX Loop for the Mustang Floor is now hard wired into the front end.

I've tried the RC-3 direct between the guitar and input on the MIII with unacceptable results. If that is the way it will basically work with the Mustang Floor that will be a deal-breaker for me and I'll have to seek an alternate solution...why even put in an FX Send/Return loop in the Mustang Floor if it works just like the input jack? I could use a Mustang I for that! Hopefully that's not the case.

Thanks in advance...

Redd


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Post subject: Re: RC-3 Loop Station and Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:13 pm
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I am pretty sure the effects loop can only be setup as pre and not post. The only way I can get my RC-3 to work how I want it, after all of my effects, is to use a mixer and the xlr outs straight to my mixer and the RC-3 hooked up to the unbalanced outs and to my mixer. This allows me to play a clean backing and loop it, then switch to another preset to play lead guitar over the clean backing loop.

Just for kicks I tried to route the RC-3 back into the aux input. That did not work to well.

I do like the fact that I can run four channels of guitar into my mixer from just the Mustang Floor, that can make some pretty massive tonal possibilities in my Propellerhead Reason. Sorta like having four guitarist all in perfect time, playing through whatever effects I want to add to each channel.

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Post subject: Re: RC-3 Loop Station and Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:57 pm
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Thanks major...you've got a setup I can only dream of for now. Definitely tucking those ideas away for future use!

I'm not exactly sure where the FX loop is inserted in the MIII, but know it sounds MUCH better running it through the FX loop in the back than direct to the INPUT in the front (depends on Amp model selected). Would like to know how or if they changed it for the Floor...but doesn't sound promising from what you are saying.

FX loop seems to be after the Amp Modeling but before the Effects in the MIII, but am concerned the FX loop on the Floor has been changed to before the Amp Modeling which is what seems to cause the most problems running the RC-3 direct to the INPUT when playing back recorded loops.

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Post subject: Re: RC-3 Loop Station and Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 6:11 am
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You could get a small mixer to do the job and also be able to hook a michrophone up to it.
I have an old Beri 1202 I am going to use for a portable rig..
That thing has been a good tool in my arsenal...
I have done a lot of recordings with that little thing before I upgraded...
These things are a little bigger than my Fulltone Fulldrive...
I prefer the Mackies now, but they are spendy...


Without effects..
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENYX1202
With effects...
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENYX1202

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Post subject: Re: RC-3 Loop Station and Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:09 pm
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From the Fender Support page:

"The Mustang™ Floor features an FX insert loop similar to the FX loop found on the Mustang III, IV and V models. The FX loop on the Floor, however, can be bypassed either directly from the dedicated footswitch on the Floor or through Fender FUSE. This provides even greater flexibility in changing tones on the fly, with the added ability of reducing the clutter that dedicated footswitches can bring."

Guess I'm looking for their definition of "similar"....


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Post subject: Re: Will RC-3 Loop Station via Mustang Floor FX Loop work ri
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 9:37 pm
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Okay, sorry to keep hijacking my own thread :roll: ...but hopefully details will clarify what I'm asking and hopefully someone with a Mustang Floor (or maybe even a Fender Rep) can either verify if it will still work like this with the Mustang Floor or tell me I'm barking up the wrong tree with a Mustang Floor and need to look elsewhere for deployment gear.

When I use my RC-3 with my Mustang III via the FX Loop, whatever preset I'm playing will be what is fed to the RC-3 for recording. So I can lay down a rhythm track using one preset say "British Steel" then when I play that back through the FX loop it sounds EXACTLY like it did when I played it regardless of what preset I change to and play. So after laying down my backing track I can choose whatever OTHER preset I'd like to work out some riffs or solos to it and it DOES NOT change the sound of what I recorded on the RC-3 when played back through the Mustang III FX loop. For example, I'll have a recorded "British Steel" rhythm track playing just like I recorded it while working overdubs or live in "Liquid Solo" or whatever else I choose.

This is EXACTLY how it works with the Mustang III FX Loop and it is fantastic for working and laying multiple overdubs on the RC-3. It's like having 2 or 3 different guitars going and I love it, you can work some really cool stuff with it.

I'm concerned from what I'm hearing & reading that the Mustang Floor has moved the FX loop into the front end so that whatever I record through the RC-3 will just be what is coming from my guitar (isn't that what the INPUT jack is for???) and that playback through the loop will be altered depending on what preset is selected...so my backing track and overdubs/live stuff will be channeled through whatever current preset thereby completely altering the intended backing track sound and trashing the above concept which I've really enjoyed.

Again, thanks in advance and sorry for the hijacking...

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Post subject: Re: Will RC-3 Loop Station via Mustang Floor FX Loop work ri
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 10:54 pm
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ReddWolf wrote:
I'm concerned from what I'm hearing & reading that the Mustang Floor has moved the FX loop into the front end so that whatever I record through the RC-3 will just be what is coming from my guitar (isn't that what the INPUT jack is for???) and that playback through the loop will be altered depending on what preset is selected...so my backing track and overdubs/live stuff will be channeled through whatever current preset thereby completely altering the intended backing track sound and trashing the above concept which I've really enjoyed.

Again, thanks in advance and sorry for the hijacking...

Redd


It's your thread so you can hijack it if you want to and I for one am glad you did. You're reiterating my big gripe about the Floor. Putting the effects loop in the Pre position is to me, completely moronic. I was going to buy a Floor this summer but not anymore. So close, Fender, sooo darned close but no cigar. Ya coulda been a contender. Heck, to me ya woulda been da CHAMPS! But nooo....

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Post subject: Re: RC-3 Loop Station and Mustang Floor?
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:08 pm
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majorbytes wrote:
You could get a small mixer to do the job and also be able to hook a michrophone up to it.
I have an old Beri 1202 I am going to use for a portable rig..
That thing has been a good tool in my arsenal...
I have done a lot of recordings with that little thing before I upgraded...
These things are a little bigger than my Fulltone Fulldrive...
I prefer the Mackies now, but they are spendy...


Without effects..
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENYX1202
With effects...
http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHXENYX1202


Major, thanks for the idea...actually looked into several and decided to spend a bit extra (with GC coupon) & picked up a Mackie 402VLZ3 and can do the same setup with my ol' Vox Tonelab (Tabletop) and monitor out of the Mackie - sounds great & gained a bit more flexibility. Not to mention can fit all in one small case! No need for a Mustang Floor now...maybe the Floor 2.0??


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Post subject: Re: Will RC-3 via Mustang Floor FX Loop work same as with MI
Posted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:56 pm
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Good specs on that little mixer.

I ordered two 40 watt powered speakers and one came in today. Two Altec Lansing RM3010's. The Floor is sounding dreamy in just one, two is going to be great. I have the two xlr's going into my mixer and the two unbalanced going into the Boss RC3 and then to the powered speakers. It is shaping into a great practice and recording tool. I can get set some loops up on the RC3 and get my lead the way I want it without having to turn on my DAW. With the powered speakers I can have two tracks with the balanced and mike the speakers. The tracks sound much better with a little air hitting the mikes..

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