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Post subject: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 12:59 pm
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Any way to move the placement of the volume pedal in the chain to BEFORE the delay and reverb? Fuse doesn't seem to allow it.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 12:11 pm
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Hi spankygtr,

Can you please post your specific steps here and I will take a look and try to reproduce. Thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun May 13, 2012 8:11 pm
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Not sure what you mean by "specific steps". When I play through a patch with volume control enabled, if I lower the volume with the pedal, it cuts the signal level, ALONG WITH the delay & reverb tails. Is this normal? This is certainly not what most users want, in my experience. For example, if you like to do volume swells with the pedal-if you've got a nice echoey patch, you'd most likely want the delays to fade out naturally, not be cut abruptly by the pedal.
Can the position of the pedal in the chain of effects be changed? Doesn't look that way.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:59 am
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Hi spankygtr,

Ok. I have checked out the behavior you are describing. And the volume control is the master. So it is expected that it will cut all signal when moved to the heel position. If I am understanding you correctly, I would suggest that you slow the movement of the pedal in order to allow the reverb tail to fade as you bring down the pedal to the heel position as the reverb/effects are a part of that signal. Please let me know if I can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:34 pm
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With all due respect Alan, that's a ridiculous and impractical "solution". What Spankygtr is asking for is de rigeur for most multi-effects pedals. So much so that some companies have taken to designing their MFX units with "effects spill-over" features so that the reverb tails never get cut off even if you change presets. My now ancient GT-8 is capable of this so why not the much more modern Mustang Floor? Why would anyone want the reverb tail to be cut off by the volume pedal? That completely negates the reverb effect that's so crucial in a lot of volume swell playing techniques. This and the immovable placement of the effects loop are for me very serious flaws in the Mustang Floor's signal chain design and is keeping me from buying one.

I realize that to make the changes some of us would like to see would increase the Mustang Floor's costs. However, at the current prices of the Mustang Floor's competitors (Pod HD 500 and Boss GT-100 etc.), a $100 price increase to give us users a more useful feature set would still make the Mustang $100 cheaper than it's competition. I'd be willing to pay more for what should be there.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:00 pm
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Hi Orcatraz,

OK. I hear you. My goal was to simply explain the functionality of the Master volume control on the Fender Mustang Floor. I will check in with one of our engineers that worked on this project and ask him to weigh in on this.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:14 pm
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spankygtr, I think this post might help you:
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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:23 pm
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Alan Willey - Fender wrote:
Hi Orcatraz,

OK. I hear you. My goal was to simply explain the functionality of the Master volume control on the Fender Mustang Floor. I will check in with one of our engineers that worked on this project and ask him to weigh in on this.


Thank you, Alan.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:27 pm
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Hi Orcatraz,

I'll pass your thanks along to Ben as well who provided that detailed information. It is our goal to offer the most useful support we can here. Please let me know if we can assist in the future.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:13 am
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Alan, any news?

Yes, it's a shame that the volume pedal can not be assigned anywhere in the chain. Most users would want the volume pedal as the first device in the chain, just like real life.

I just bought the Floor, and I really hope the engineers seriously look at fixing this oversight in a future firmware update.

I wasn't aware that the effects loop could also not be assigned, that's another that would be a great fix.


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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:41 pm
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Hi poynt99,

In Expression mode, you can assign the amp's channel Volume as a specific Volume control. Please take a look at the text from our engineer Ben Rathke below and let me know if you are looking for something else. In regard to the Effects loop, I am happy to pass along your request for this as a feature request. Thanks.

"When the pedal is in Volume Mode it controls the master output level. This is post delay, post everything in fact, so it cuts the delay tails and everything else as you've described. To get your desired effect, you'll need to control the volume before the delay effect. This can be accomplished by setting the pedal to Expression Mode and controlling the VOL parameter of the AMP model (and placing the delays/reverbs post amp model as you've done already). Controlling the GAIN parameter in this manner can be fun too."

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:57 am
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I have a Mustang III and the EXP-1 works the same way on that.
Honestly I am sorry I bought it.
The idea that the volume would cut off the delays and reverbs and be a master volume obviously came to the mind of a non-musician.
The "fix" of having it control the "the VOL parameter of the AMP model" means it can't be used for any other parameter making the volume mode of the EXP-1 musically useless for actual musicians.
I wonder what the return policy is at the place I bought it. For me it is next to useless. I might as well resurrect my pedal board, which I had sincerely hoped to retire.
I am guessing this could be fixed in software.
A software update, if I am correct, could make the EXP-1 useful instead of a waste of money.
If someone somewhere is in love with the current configuration great. Put in the Fuse software the option of Volume mode controlling the Main volume OR the Amp volume. If you want to save virtually every musician an extra click make the Amp volume the default.
I LOVE the Mustang amp. So much of it has been so well thought out. I am surprised by this oversight. It took me all of a minute to have my WTF moment. Surely you bounced this decision off of some actual musician somewhere.
Please look into a software update for this. I don't believe for a moment it can't be done.
If the answer is no tell me soon so I can return this basically useless pedal.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:00 pm
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rmrossa wrote:
Put in the Fuse software the option of Volume mode controlling the Main volume OR the Amp volume. If you want to save virtually every musician an extra click make the Amp volume the default.


What a great idea! Should not be treated as a new functionnality but as a fix.
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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:33 pm
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Maybe it won't be as easy to fix as I thought.
I got home from work and assigned the pedal to the Amp volume. It STILL cuts off delay and reverb tails.
The workaround doesn't work at least on the Mustang III
I already have a stinking Wah pedal.
I thought I'd be getting a workable volume/wah pedal that was integrated. Instead I have another wah pedal that takes up a slot in the stomp boxes in the amp and a useless volume pedal.
I should never have bought this exp pedal and please when you are going to describe a workaround take a minute or two to see if it actually works.

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Post subject: Re: Volume pedal cuts delay and reverb tails? Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:49 pm
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rmrossa wrote:
Maybe it won't be as easy to fix as I thought.
I got home from work and assigned the pedal to the Amp volume. It STILL cuts off delay and reverb tails.
The workaround doesn't work at least on the Mustang III
I already have a stinking Wah pedal.
I thought I'd be getting a workable volume/wah pedal that was integrated. Instead I have another wah pedal that takes up a slot in the stomp boxes in the amp and a useless volume pedal.
I should never have bought this exp pedal and please when you are going to describe a workaround take a minute or two to see if it actually works.


Are the Delay and Reverb in "Pre" or "Post" mode. If they are in Pre, it's understandable that they'd be cut off by the pedal in either volume or expression mode. The effects have to be in "Post" mode so that they come after the Amp Volume and thus won't be cut off. In my opinion, reverbs and delays sound much better in an effects loop which is always "Post" on most amps as far as I know - tube or otherwise.

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